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Offline Ades
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Post #1 Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:19 am 
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Recording Starts 12.06.15

:black: RANK
12.06.15 -- 10k
14.06.15 -- 11k

:black: GAME -- B vs W Result
12.06.15
jaylee (11k) vs Ades (10k) W+Res WIN
13.06.15
Ades (10k) vs Aurak (6k) H4 W+Res LOST
roget (12k) vs Ades (10k) H2 W+Res WIN
marakula (10k) vs Ades (10k) B+Res LOST
Ades (10k) vs xohoho456 (9k) W+23.5 LOST
axel7897 (11k) vs Ades (10k) B+8.5 LOST
14.06.15
Ades (11k) vs karshin (3k) H8 W+Res LOST
Ades (11k) vs Xanarz (10k) W+2.5 LOST
Ades (11k) vs Hallonen (10k) W+Res LOST

:black: BOOK
Learn To Play Go Vol 4

:black: TSUMEGO
>Cho Elementary Tsumego
12.06.15 -- Problem 38


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Offline Ades
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Post #2 Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:19 am 
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Post #3 Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:20 am 
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Post #4 Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:13 am 
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12.06.15
jaylee (11k) vs Ades (10k) W+Res


:black: Thought
inaccurate counting prediction lead to "feeling enough" play
would surely lost without B's simple mistake
lost focus in the end game, nearly lost alot

:black: Comment from others
EdLee

:black: Reference
Toothpaste
Small Gap
Elephant Eye

13.06.15
Ades (10k) vs Aurak (6k) H4 W+Res
PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT ON THIS GAME

:black: Thought
-Fear
-Agitation
-Thoughtlessness
-Irritionality
-Anger

Roget (12k) vs Ades (10k) H2 W+Res


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Offline EdLee
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Post #5 Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:41 am 
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Hi Ades,

:w12: E4.

:w14: not good.

:w18: not good. Just connect directly.

:w22: this shape can be cut.

:b25: Terible. B must cut.

:w28: K4 extend. Basic shape.

:b29: Good. "Hane head of 2 stones".
Good shape for B; bad shape for W. Very big.

:b31: K5 extend or K6 jump-attach.

:b43: P9. (Optional: peep P7 first.)

:w46: Bad habit. You force B to make eyes and good shape.

:b51: wrong direction. B wants up, not down.

:b57: Ridiculous. Cut, only move.

:w62: Wrong shape: H15 and K15 -- vital points. See elephant's eye .

:w64: bad. See toothpaste .

:w76: If B extends at E10, see toothpaste .

:w78: Your local shapes are completely wrong.
You can play like this if you have read out you can kill B.
Otherwise, you are just making terrible shapes for yourself.

See toothpaste .

See small gaps . (Example: W H15 )

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Post #6 Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:45 pm 
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Hi EdLee, im very grateful that you keep helping me
Quote:
:w22: this shape can be cut.

is G3 better?

Quote:
:b43: P9. (Optional: peep P7 first.)
:w46: Bad habit. You force B to make eyes and good shape.

would you mind to show me the right sequence/move here

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:w62: Wrong shape: H15 and K15 -- vital points. See elephant's eye .

i realize that was a mistake, but im bit confused about the link, it didn't tell me why it was a mistake moreover it tells me that the move can be good sometime
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:w64: bad. See toothpaste .
:w76: If B extends at E10, see toothpaste .

im sorry that i kept making you repeating to tell me about this
it seems like, i play ordinary move but suddenly that toothpaste come out from no where.
what can i do, or perhaps what i think i can do, is protecting bigger side since its impossible to protect both

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:w78: Your local shapes are completely wrong.
You can play like this if you have read out you can kill B.
Otherwise, you are just making terrible shapes for yourself.

did you mean, kill B? especially around this move, did you mind to show me a favorable sequence for W?

ah! can i ask you one more thing? it is the right rank for me to study pro games?
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Post #7 Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:57 pm 
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Ades wrote:
:w22: this shape can be cut.
is G3 better?
What do you think ?
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:b43: P9. (Optional: peep P7 first.)
Instead of :b43: in the game, B can jump directly out, for example, to P9.
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:w46: Bad habit. You force B to make eyes and good shape.
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would you mind to show me the right sequence/move here
There are 2 separate issues here.

First is recognition that :w46: just helps B make eyes and good shape.

The second is to find a better move -- this is a separate issue.

I'm not sure what is the best local move.
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Quote:
:w62: Wrong shape: H15 and K15 -- vital points.
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i realize that was a mistake,
Once again, there are 2 separate issues here:

- Recognition of the bad shapes.
- Finding a better move.

Your first job is recognition.
Finding a better move, or the "best" move, is an entirely different issue.
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Ades wrote:
im sorry that i kept making you repeating to tell me about this
it seems like, i play ordinary move but suddenly that toothpaste come out from no where.
what can i do
No need to say sorry.

This is your current level.

You WILL continue to make these bad shapes for some time.
For how long, we don't know yet; that depends on you. :)

As long as you make these bad shapes, hopefully, some people will point them out to you in your reviews.
It means you still have mis-understanding about them.
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Post #12 Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:23 am 
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EdLee wrote:
What do you think ?

by my reading, it was pretty better.

EdLee wrote:
No need to say sorry.

This is your current level.

You WILL continue to make these bad shapes for some time.
For how long, we don't know yet; that depends on you. :)

As long as you make these bad shapes, hopefully, some people will point them out to you in your reviews.
It means you still have mis-understanding about them.


i'll try to put more weight on lesson regarding shapes
but for now i'll try to improve just from games regarding to my disturbing college schedule :tmbdown:
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Ades wrote:
by my reading, it was pretty better.
Both G3 and H4 can be cut. How is it better ?
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EdLee wrote:
Both G3 and H4 can be cut. How is it better ?

based on my tryings


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Post #15 Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:30 am 
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marakula (10k) vs Ades (10k) B+Res

Ades (10k) vs xohoho456 (9k) W+23.5

axel7897 (11k) vs Ades (10k) B+8.5


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Both G3 and H4 can be CUT.

The first question is: can you find a move that CANNOT be CUT.
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Hi Ades,

marakula game:

:b13: Maybe better to get out -- extend to o15.
This tiger's mouth -- P17 -- you are boxed in the corner.

:w14: Mis-understand basic shapes.
W must atari at o15. B connects at P16.
Then, W tiger's mouth N14, and B is completely boxed in the corner.

:b15: Wrong shape. Just extend to o15.

:w16: Atari o15.

:w22: just connect N15.

:b27: L16.

:b39: M18. Vital point to kill.

:b45: Not urgent. Look at your weak group at Q10.

:w50: Terrible. Broken shape for W. See small gaps .

:b53: You're hurting your other group at o8.
Maybe better to jump out directly, e.g. N8.

:b57: Basic shape problem. This shape is strange. N8.
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Post #18 Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:09 pm 
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EdLee wrote:
Both G3 and H4 can be CUT.

The first question is: can you find a move that CANNOT be CUT.


okay..
G4 would be a sufficient answer then
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Ades wrote:
G4 would be a sufficient answer then
OK, G4 cannot be cut. Maybe a bit slow. Other ideas: H5, or F7.
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Hi Ades,

xohoho456 game.

:b5: Don't follow your opponent around like a puppy.
The lower left corner is empty -- why not take it.

:w6: The basic shape here is o16 -- o16 is the local shared vital point.

:b7: Mis-understand basic shapes. o16 is the shared vital point after :b5: .
W missed o16 -- you should take it.
Don't follow your opponent around like a puppy.

:b11: The joseki move is extend d15. Study this joseki.

Studying the joseki starting with d15 is worth this game.
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