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 Post subject: Re: BlindGroup Study Journal
Post #21 Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:18 am 
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BlindGroup wrote:
I agree that the kick was surprising, but before that, I was surprised by move 24:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems to violate the general principle of prioritizing the corners over side extensions. Ex post, this seemed like the strategically key move in the fuseki that allowed white to create the double-moyo threat. Was this clearly a good move at the time? Unless I'm over interpreting, it seemed like black recognized this as well with the short, high extension from from the two-stone wall fallowing the kick -- which if right might have even been the motivation for white's incentive for giving him the boot in the first place.


That move 24 was a favourite move of Lee Changho that fits well with his style: it stabilizes the white group and prevents black's good extension at a which develops from the shimari and aims at attacking the white wall. As the only unapproached corner was a 4-4 adding a move there is not so urgent compared to if it were a 3-4 (though making shimari from 4-4 is common these days).

One reason for the short extension is black doesn't like the following sequence in which white invades and immediately sacrifices in order to secure the corner against a 3-3 invasion (this was another of Lee's favourite tactics). White would then probably continue at a as in the game (black might resist and not defend at 7, or fight with 3).

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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . X . 3 . 1 . . . a O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . O X 7 2 . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . 6 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


So black plays the closer extension to avoid this sort of over-concentration. In fact Lee Sedol did the same thing in his 2nd game with AlphaGo, which then led to AlphaGo's famous shoulder hit from the 5th line to cause over-concentration from the other side!


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Post #22 Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 12:19 pm 
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I have been very delinquent in updating this, but I have a lot to update!

I'll update my goals and study effort soon, but first I've achieved the following:

1. I finally achieved my goal of breaking into the SDK world on IGS with a rank of 9k. Not sure how long I'll be able to keep it, but one step at a time.

2. I finally settled down to a rank of 7k on KGS. I'm not too far away from 6k, though. So, I'm aiming to get there in a month or so. I've been playing more on KGS lately than IGS because the style of play on KGS is new to me, and I'm trying to get used to it.

3. I haven't been able to play in-person games as frequently as I had hoped, but I've gone to a few local club meetings. I'm still trying to get used to the different perspective on has on the board when you play in person. Standing helps a bit, but it's still different!

4. I played in my first in-person go tournament a couple weekends ago. Based on my KGS and IGS ranking and the conversion chart on Sensei's Library, I entered my rank as 6k, and that seems to be about right. I lost my first game to a very bright 6k tween. He played very well. He probably would have beaten me regardless, but I helped him along. For some reason, I just couldn't settle down and focus. However, things fell into shape after that and I won my next three games. I was fairly happy with games two and three, but game four was a mess. I won, but I shouldn't have. I played a 4k opponent in an even game, and it seemed like the game came down to whether or not one of my groups could escape to safety. Eventually, my opponent resigned because he thought I had escaped. I thought the same, but afterwards, it became clear that we were both wrong. That said, it was a long day. So, not too surprising that we might make such a mistake.

I ended up at 5k once AGA crunched the numbers, but I'm guessing this is largely driven by my fourth game. So, I expect to settle down at 6k for now.

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Post #23 Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 9:59 am 
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I played the following game on KGS today. I was ahead early on, but then made a series of mistakes to give the game away. This is a frequent cause of my losses, and I'm working to figure out how to correct it. In this game, I simply misread something at the very end, but that's happening less often. I think what I need to work on is to recognize when I'm ahead and then figure out how to simplify the game to avoid problems. I'm very bad at judging when I'm up in a game.

Anyway, my analysis is below. The only move about which I don't have a firm opinion is move 73:

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[go]$$
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X X X X O X O O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X . X X O O X O O X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X O O X O . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . O X O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O . O X X X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . O X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . O . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . B . . X . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I expected the pincer after playing the approach (although I was expecting J3 rather then J4). I also considered jumping up and a double approach. My move gives white the start of a moyo, but with the stones in the bottom center on the fourth line, I feel like I have options to deal with it.

Here is the full game:


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Post #24 Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 10:14 am 
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30 second 4k opinion: I like 73@C3, but I don't like 83@N5. You're not so strong on the bottom yourself and you don't have the correct local support to push and cut.

My blitz move for 83 is M2, giving yourself a bigger base and making White overconcentrated if he defends his territory on the left. (If he doesn't, you could end up reducing it to almost nothing, especially with ideas like F2.)


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Post #25 Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 8:49 am 
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dfan wrote:
30 second 4k opinion: I like 73@C3, but I don't like 83@N5. You're not so strong on the bottom yourself and you don't have the correct local support to push and cut.

My blitz move for 83 is M2, giving yourself a bigger base and making White overconcentrated if he defends his territory on the left. (If he doesn't, you could end up reducing it to almost nothing, especially with ideas like F2.)


Thanks. I didn't realize that this group was that weak. And this is also consistent with the comment you made to my
last post. Looks like I generally need to be more careful about buttressing these weak groups, or at least recognizing when they are weak!

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