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 Post subject: Re: What I have learned from Leela:
Post #21 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:35 am 
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Black 41 should have been at a or b.

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[go]$$Bm41
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . 1 . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . a . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . b . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . 8 1 2 . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 6 3 4 5 X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . 7 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #22 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:37 am 
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What is the best play for white? To capture or not to capture?

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[go]$$Bm49
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . 1 X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #23 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:42 am 
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This would have been the better option:

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[go]$$Bm49
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 2 O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . 1 X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White does not have to fear a ladder breaker, because there is a net as well:

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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . W . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . 2 . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . 1 O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #24 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:46 am 
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The game continued symmetrically.

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[go]$$Wm50
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 4 2 O 3 . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . 5 7 O X . . . . . . 1 O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . O . O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #25 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:48 am 
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But this time i found the correct continuation at 58:

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[go]$$Bm57
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . O O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . 2 . . . O . O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #26 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:55 am 
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I missed this variation:

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[go]$$Wm60
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 5 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . O O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . O . O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 1 X 3 . . . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 4 . . X . X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and went for this:

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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . O O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . O . O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X 1 . 5 . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 2 3 . X . X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . 4 a . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Move 5 is a big mistake and should have been at a

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Post #27 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:58 am 
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But black does not exploit the white lapsus. 65 should be at a.

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[go]$$Bm65
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . O O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O a . . O . O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X O . O . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X O 1 X . X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #28 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:00 am 
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The game continued.

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[go]$$Wm66
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 4 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . O O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . O . . . O . O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X O 1 O . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X O X X . X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #29 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:04 am 
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White tries to simplify with this gote sequence. An extension at the top at b or the immediate play at a would have been better.

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[go]$$Wm69
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . a , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . O O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X 5 O . . . O . O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X 3 1 X O O O . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X 4 2 X O X X . X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #30 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:10 am 
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Move 76 should be at a.

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[go]$$Bm75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . 2 . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . O O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X O O . . . O . O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X O O O . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X O X X . X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and Move 78 at b (this is not a matter of style in this case)

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[go]$$Bm77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O 1 . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X O O . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . . . O O . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X O O . . . O . O . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X O O O . O X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X O X X . X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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to be continued ...

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