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Post #1101 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:37 am 
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Kirby wrote:
Seems like a good option to consider. Not sure how to handle this optimally:

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I'm thinking atari, but maybe white breaks through?

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Maybe good enough for black, but not sure.


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Too good for White?

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Then maybe here?

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Post #1102 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:52 pm 
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Looks like a good option.

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Post #1103 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:08 pm 
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White 56 in your latest game looks sharp. I would have spent all my time thinking about whether 'a' is sente. :w1: is not even on my radar.

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Post #1104 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:16 pm 
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Thanks, Calvin. I'm not 100% sure that it works, but it certainly worked in the game.

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Post #1105 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:01 pm 
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Last AYD game for the month:



I lost, so I guess I'll move down to league C for the first time. Oh well..

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Post #1106 Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:45 am 
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What does the move Calvin highlighted achieve if Black just answers it to the right?

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Post #1107 Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:56 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
What does the move Calvin highlighted achieve if Black just answers it to the right?


Black can answer that way and nothing special happens. I guess it was enough to confuse black, who played elsewhere.

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Post #1108 Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:26 am 
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I think that success at a game like go or chess requires some more fine-grained overall skills than just "playing well", and it is important to have practice at all of them:
1) Beating higher-ranked players occasionally
2) Beating players of your own rank at least half the time
3) Consistently beating lower-ranked players
Obviously all of these require playing well :) but I find that at least psychologically they can be quite different. When I was improving in chess I found that the last category was an important part of it. Hopefully playing in league C this month will give you some good practice!

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Post #1109 Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:22 pm 
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First game in League C:



The plummet continues. Ug.

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Post #1110 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:47 am 
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It's hard for me to know exactly what you could have done better, but the opening does not seem to have turned out well for black. Maybe I would have played 35 at B14 but the result may be about the same. I might spend an extra move to make sure black doesn't have as many gaps, but that's gote. At 55, I would just cap at J11. I am not certain about that peep; white becomes way too strong a few moves later rather than heavy.

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Post #1111 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:50 am 
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Inseong said 35 at B14 was better, and makes it a bit more complicated. He said black was still OK until 43 - the shoulder hit was too good for white.

That being said, I feel that I have an attitude problem with go these days more than anything else. A lot of Inseong's comments these days are "you played this move in 2 seconds - 3 seconds - 1 second, etc.".

I'm much more apathetic toward correct play compared to before, I don't study, and I'm kind of coasting through the AYD until this month is over.

I'm probably going to take a break for awhile after March.

Still debating whether or not to even go to the US Go Congress this year. Maybe my attitude will change before then - we'll see.

Maybe I should watch Hikaru no Go again or something to get some motivation.

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Post #1112 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:19 am 
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Still, in the game against yithril, to get him to 0.5 point not long ago is impressive. So that power is there. It doesn't disappear because you are not at your maximum study effort.

I went through phases where I was playing a lot of throwaway blitz games that weren't even fun. To this day I basically can't finish a turn-based game because it requires playing almost every day that makes it sound more like a job than a hobby and I can't force myself to do it. Finding the balance where go is still fun but doesn't consume me and hurt the rest of my life is challenging.

I hope you can find a balance that works for you.

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Post #1113 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:29 pm 
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A few comments. :)


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Post #1114 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:17 pm 
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For move 23 how about being a cheeky bugger like AlphaGo and playing the c16 cut, b17 atari, e16 extend? If white then lives in the corner does f14 look good or bad? Maybe white tries something fancy like c12 but I think f14 means you can actually answer that and corner still ok.

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Post #1115 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:57 pm 
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Calvin Clark wrote:
Still, in the game against yithril, to get him to 0.5 point not long ago is impressive. So that power is there. It doesn't disappear because you are not at your maximum study effort.

I went through phases where I was playing a lot of throwaway blitz games that weren't even fun. To this day I basically can't finish a turn-based game because it requires playing almost every day that makes it sound more like a job than a hobby and I can't force myself to do it. Finding the balance where go is still fun but doesn't consume me and hurt the rest of my life is challenging.

I hope you can find a balance that works for you.


Sounds about right. I've been thinking more that maybe my goals aren't big enough - not just in go, but in other stuff, too. At least if I have a huge goal, it seems worth devoting energy to. But if my goals are mediocre, then when I'm tired or not in the mood for studying or something, there's only mediocre motivation to stick to my plan.

I guess if I'm going to do something, I should do it big. Not really sure what that means for go. Maybe I should make a goal to jump up a few ranks or something. Or maybe win a tournament.

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Post #1116 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:03 pm 
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Bill Spight wrote:
A few comments. :)



I like your variation for 11.

For 19, I actually used to play this move when I studied abroad in Japan. They told me it was bad because it left bad aji for black. Then again, I never really questioned this idea, and there's aji with P17 anyway! If AlphaGo likes it, what do humans know?

For 21, C16 seems balanced.

Re: 27 - sweet move. I never considered it :-)

55 - Re: Small scale -> Inseong agrees ;-)

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Post #1117 Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:45 pm 
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Uberdude wrote:
For move 23 how about being a cheeky bugger like AlphaGo and playing the c16 cut, b17 atari, e16 extend? If white then lives in the corner does f14 look good or bad? Maybe white tries something fancy like c12 but I think f14 means you can actually answer that and corner still ok.


I like c16 - not sure why it's cheeky, and I didn't know AlphaGo played it - not that I follow AlphaGo games :-)

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Post #1118 Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:57 pm 
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This week's AYD game features another loss:



I think I'll be taking a break after this month's games are up.

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Post #1119 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:39 pm 
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Lost again for this week's AYD game.



Two more games, and I'll take a break from the AYD. And from go for awhile.

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Post #1120 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:47 am 
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Kirby, maybe you should play some games against weaker players. Even if you are in bad form, you are still stronger than a lot of people and some wins should boost your confidence.


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