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Post #1381 Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 6:52 pm 
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Last Saturday was that state competition for the Korean speech contest. I ended up getting second place out of 8 people.


Congratulations! :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Then I asked my wife what she thought, since she watched the speeches, too. She had a couple of other ideas:
1. I had a hand in one of my pockets during the speech - this could have been a turnoff.


That reminds me. When I was in the debate club in high school it was suggested to me by another student to follow the example of one of the Princeton debaters and put a hand in my pocket, as a signal of being at ease. Go figure. ;) Maybe a cultural thing?

As for the go, this is another time you have mentioned planning, and things not going to plan. Well, if your opponent is any good, they are going to try to thwart your plans (unless you have a bad plan, OC ;)). May I suggest at least skimming Znosko-Borovsky's How Not to Play Chess? He focuses on forming and carrying out plans. My impression is that, because of the number of different fronts in go, go plans tend to be more disjunctive than plans in chess, but he gives good general advice. :)

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Post #1382 Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:34 pm 
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Bill Spight wrote:
As for the go, this is another time you have mentioned planning, and things not going to plan. Well, if your opponent is any good, they are going to try to thwart your plans (unless you have a bad plan, OC ;)). May I suggest at least skimming Znosko-Borovsky's How Not to Play Chess? He focuses on forming and carrying out plans. My impression is that, because of the number of different fronts in go, go plans tend to be more disjunctive than plans in chess, but he gives good general advice. :)


I purchased the book. I make a plan to read some of it this week.

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Post #1383 Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 7:24 pm 
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Another AYD game today. I made a couple of big reading mistakes. I was a bit careless.

One of them could have probably cost me the game, because he had more ko threats than me. But he didn't go for the ko, and I had more points.


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Post #1384 Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 7:28 pm 
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Some key moments:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . O . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . X X , O O O . O , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | X O X . . X O . . . O . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X X X X . . . . . X O O . O |
$$ | O . O X X . . O . . O . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O O . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . X . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . . . X X O X . . |
$$ | . X O O X X . . . X . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . X X . O X . . . O X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X O . . O . X O X . B . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . X . X O . X O O O . O . . |
$$ | X O O O X . X . X O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . X O O O X X O O O X . . |
$$ | O X X X O X . O . . O O X X O X X . . |
$$ | . O O O X . X O . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I didn't respond well here, and put the game at risk.

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X O O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X X X O X . O . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I KNEW about the aji in the corner, but I didn't read it through carefully enough. My brain as giving me warning, but I ignored it.


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The positive: I think that I calmed myself down well after this bottom left adventure, and I recovered the game. I was a bit careless later on, too, but I think it was still a good psychological achievement. I normally get more flustered in this type of situation, I think.

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Post #1385 Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 7:36 pm 
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I reviewed this game with Elf, and according to Elf, I'm basically behind about the entire game, until all of my groups live. I had too weak of groups, but when everything lived, I ended up having more points.

I got pretty lucky this game, it seems.

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Post #1386 Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 1:53 am 
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Remember Elf has strong opinions, so being 10% according to Elf could mean you are 4 points behind which is no big deal until super pro.

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Post #1387 Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 4:25 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
Remember Elf has strong opinions, so being 10% according to Elf could mean you are 4 points behind which is no big deal until super pro.


Hmm, ok. Maybe I’ll try with a different network. I guess the latest leelaz should be a good option.

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Post #1388 Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 5:02 am 
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I made a few comments. I guess I pretty much agree with Elf. ;) But, as Janice Kim says, resign while you still can. :lol:

Main focus: Avoid strengthening your opponent unnecessarily.

Also, the center is bigger than it looks.

Also, keeping or taking sente is important, especially in the opening. White gave up sente three times by move 29. :b29: hurt.


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Post #1389 Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 7:36 pm 
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I played another AYD game today, and lost.

Here's the game:


I got very lucky twice - once living in the center, and once, with his bogus ko threat. Then, I still gave things away by trying to hard to kill his group on the right, and dying myself.

Summary: I think I probably let the center get too big, just taking territory. After the dust settled, I should have been more practical, instead of aiming to kill him at all costs. I didn't look at weaknesses in my own groups, and only looked at weaknesses in his groups. Practically speaking, I should have wrapped up at that point, and aimed to try to win in the endgame.

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Post #1390 Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 7:41 pm 
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Some interesting moments for me:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is the move above necessary right now? I think there's a way to live, but it'll be small and white will seal me in. Is it better to play to reduce white's influence?

What about this?

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or maybe the top?

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . B . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not really sure.

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Position 2:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . O O O X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O O . O X X X O O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X O . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . O O . X X X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X X O X X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . X X X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X X X X . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O O O O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X X X X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X O O X . X O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X . O X . X O O O . . . . W . . |
$$ | O X O O O . O X X O . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . X O . . X X . . . . |
$$ | X X O O X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After white's move here...

Maybe I should just be solid:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . O O O X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O O . O X X X O O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X O . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . O O . X X X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X X O X X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . X X X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X X X X . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O O O O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X X X X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X O O X . X O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X . O X . X O O O . . . . O . . |
$$ | O X O O O . O X X O . O . O . B X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . X O . . X X . . . . |
$$ | X X O O X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white plays another move in that area:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . O O O X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O O . O X X X O O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X O . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . O O . X X X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X X O X X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . X X X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X X X X . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O O O O . . O . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X X X X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X O O X . X O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X . O X . X O O O . . . . O . . |
$$ | O X O O O . O X X O . O . O . 1 X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . X O . . X X . . . . |
$$ | X X O O X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can try to secure the corner, which is very big.

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . O O O X X . O . 9 . . . |
$$ | X X X O O . O X X X O O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X O . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . O O . X X X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X X O X X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . X X X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X X X X . O O . 7 5 . . |
$$ | . . X O X O O O O . . O . . 6 3 2 . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X X X X X X O . . 4 8 . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X O O X . X O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X . O X . X O O O . . . . O . . |
$$ | O X O O O . O X X O . O . O . 1 X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . X O . . X X . . . . |
$$ | X X O O X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Anyway, I think I should focus on trying to get the 3-3. I didn't hold enough importance to it. Sente was important.

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On that note, I'll commend him for this move:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . O O O X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O O . O X X X O O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X X O . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . O O . X X X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X X O X X X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O O X . . X X X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X X X X . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O O O O . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X X X X X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X . X O O X . X O O X X . . O . . |
$$ | O O O X . O X . X O O O . . . X O . . |
$$ | O X O O O . O X X O . O . O . W X X . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . X O . . X X . . . . |
$$ | X X O O X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I just think it's cool!

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Post #1391 Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 7:51 pm 
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Thoughts by Elf - haven't had time to switch to a less opinionated bot, yet (still tearing out tiles of our new house!).

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , 3 . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Elf seems to like the opening for me, but recommends this move, above.

The other interesting thing I saw from Elf was this:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I considered this move, but thought my stones were too weak. But Elf is also thinking of the other group on the left, I think:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 9 3 1 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 8 5 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 6 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O O B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X X X C . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O X O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X O . . . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . , . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | X . X X X O O . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There are some other variations with cutting and ko and stuff, but the general idea of threatening this group didn't occur to me.

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So my plan has been to study for the US Go Congress. However, these days, I've been doing more home construction work in my free time than go study. Earlier in the year, we put an offer on a newer house (built in 2018), but we were outbid. Later, we decided to opt for an older house with a lot more yard out in the country. It has a creek and my kids really liked the outdoorsy feel.

The implication is, it means that there's various stuff to fix around the house. We hired some contractors to do some work, but they charge a lot, so I've been doing some work myself. I tore out a bunch of old cabinets, which has been a lot of work, and also demolished and installed tile in three bathrooms. Now, I'm working on the laundry room. I tore out the flooring there, with the plan of doing tile there, too.

The thing is, we bought new appliances, and our dryer doesn't need a gas connection. But in this older style house, there's a gas pipe for the dryer. It's not a big deal, but we'd have more space without the pipe. I'm not a gas expert, and it seems a little dangerous, but hey, it's just a pipe, right?

So I turned off the gas, and tried to take out the gas pipe. Man, that old pipe was tough! I cranked as much as I could, and it wouldn't budge... Nothing. So I bought a new wrench, and really cranked on it. Finally, the pipe is out. Great. I replace the pipe with a valve to close the gas, and crank it tight. Great! Progress being made.

Then I turn the gas back on.

Hmm... That's not good - I smell some sort of gas smell around where the pipe is. Let's check - I spray the pipe with a soap water mixture, and sure enough, bubbles are coming out of the pipe.

OK, turn off the gas again. Time to get a professional in here - I don't want to blow myself up. So I call the gas company, and they come with a measurement device. There's a small leak remaining, but they can't fix it - they want me to hire a plumber. So I hired a plumber, and he'll come tomorrow. Hopefully, the gas leak will be eliminated.

Until then, I'm taking a break from tiles, and it's relaxing.

But I had an AYD game come up, so I had to play that last night.

Here's the record:


I got pretty lucky - I think he could have killed the group on the right, probably - and maybe he could have won the capturing race. After winning the capturing race, I felt great... But when I counted around endgame, I was surprised how many points he had, and how close things had become!

What a game.

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Post #1393 Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 5:18 am 
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On the right, I was worried about this:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . X . X X X X |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . X X . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But I guess it's not a huge deal:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . X . X X X X |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 5 X 2 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O O . O O . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . X X . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But black's group does get a bit stronger this way, so there's that.

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Post #1394 Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 7:31 am 
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Kirby wrote:
The thing is, we bought new appliances, and our dryer doesn't need a gas connection. But in this older style house, there's a gas pipe for the dryer. It's not a big deal, but we'd have more space without the pipe. I'm not a gas expert, and it seems a little dangerous, but hey, it's just a pipe, right?


If we don't hear from you again, where do we send the flowers?

Kirby wrote:
OK, turn off the gas again. Time to get a professional in here - I don't want to blow myself up. So I call the gas company, and they come with a measurement device. There's a small leak remaining, but they can't fix it - they want me to hire a plumber. So I hired a plumber, and he'll come tomorrow. Hopefully, the gas leak will be eliminated.


Nevermind. :)

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Post #1395 Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 11:10 am 
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Yeah, gas can be dangerous, I suppose. I just hope the plumber knows what he’s doing. Trust issues, I guess :roll:

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Saw inseong's review of this last game.

What stuck out to me the most was his surprise with my move here:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . X X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He said he was really surprised that I didn't just take points like this:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . X X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I had the chance to make some definite points "without blood", as he put it, but I opted not to.

Why did I make that choice? Thinking back, the only think I can think of is that I wanted to exploit his double atari. Maybe some technical details make me overlook simple ways to get profit, sometimes?

I dunno.

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Post #1397 Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 2:34 am 
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Kirby, where would you play now?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . X X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #1398 Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 4:28 am 
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I guess I should block, but I’m concerned about the growing shape on top..

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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . O O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . X X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #1399 Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:07 am 
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Kirby wrote:
I reviewed this game with Elf, ...


Which viewer or tool do you use for your Elf reviews?
I should do some more research about this. :-?

I run a website called https://www.zbaduk.com - but it only supports LeeLa Zero so far.
Would love to expand it a little.

PS: since you are so fluent in Korean. You wouldn't be interested, (or know somebody) to translate some keywords of my website to korean ?
Would love to make a Korean version of it.

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I presume Kirby means he reviewed with the converted Elf networks running on the LeelaZero engine with Lizzie/Sabaki/GoReviewPartner as the interface. As the Elf network is only 20 blocks it's faster than 40-block LZ networks so could make a nice addition to ZBaduk; here is the Elfv2 weights converted for use in LZ:
http://zero.sjeng.org/networks/05d10f27 ... ef399df.gz

Facebook have released the native Elf engine but the package is over 1 GB and windows only. I installed it and played a few moves against it. I guess it uses gtp behind the scenes so you could get move suggestions out of it, but am not aware of any review functionality/interface like the gtp analyze extensions Lizzie uses with LZ. So I just went back to using the Elf converted weights in Lizzie's nice interface and accepted that LZ-Elf (which I and many others just call Elf for brevity) might be a bit weaker/more blindspotty/different from real native engine Elf.

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