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Post #1521 Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:53 pm 
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mhlepore wrote:
After move 46 (O11), it reminded me of an O Meien game.


I've heard of O Meien, but I don't know how his go is characterized. Based on that move, maybe he makes shapes in the center?

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Post #1522 Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:56 pm 
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Another AYD game, another loss - will be hard to stay in this group, if I keep this up:



Overall, I feel I played more calm than usual, so I am happy about that. I think a big mistake was giving up the 4 stones in the center - kind of big early endgame mistake, so I think I had a chance before that...

Seems clear that this:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X O . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . X O , . O X X O , X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . X . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X . . W O X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . X . O . X . O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . O X O . X O O . . . O . X X O |
$$ | . . . , X O O . X O . O . . O X X O O |
$$ | . . O O O X O . X X O O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . X X O O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . X O X O X O X O O O . |
$$ | . O O O O X O . . . O X X O O X O . . |
$$ | . O . O X X X X . . . . . O O X O O O |
$$ | . X X X X . . O X X X X X O X X X X X |
$$ | . . . O X O . O X O O O X O X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O . O O O X X . O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . O X . X X O O O |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Should be this:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X O . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O O O . X O , . O X X O , X . . |
$$ | . O O O . O X . X O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . X . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X X O X . . . O X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . X . O . X . O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . O X O . X O O . . . O . X X O |
$$ | . . . , X O O . X O . O W . O X X O O |
$$ | . . O O O X O . X X O O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . X X O O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . X O X O X O X O O O . |
$$ | . O O O O X O . . . O X X O O X O . . |
$$ | . O . O X X X X . . . . . O O X O O O |
$$ | . X X X X . . O X X X X X O X X X X X |
$$ | . . . O X O . O X O O O X O X X X O X |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O . O O O X X . O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . O X . X X O O O |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe I should do that even earlier... I didn't have much time, and somehow I thought I could save everything... But alas, not enough liberties...


It's somewhat fascinating to me, because in this type of game, I feel like I don't do anything, and I feel like I'm kind of losing out. But then when I count the points, it seems somewhat close. I'm not used to this type of game, and it's at least interesting that this may be another way to win at go.

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Post #1523 Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:01 pm 
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So I just had review with Inseong. Though I thought that I was calm this game, he says I still don't get it. Here are some examples of moves that were not calm, from his perspective:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . W X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Above, he thinks it'd be calmer to just go like this:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He said the point is to not try to "do something". Just setup a position and let the opponent do something. Then attack.

I already knew this one was a mistake:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . . . X W , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . X X X X X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . O X O O O X O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O X . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He asked me, "Who said you will lose the game if you just answer?"

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . O . W O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . X X X X X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . O X O O O X O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O X . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The one that really surprised me was this one:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . O X X O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . X X X X X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . O X O O O X O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O X . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In the game, I remember thinking, "Yes, this is a calm move. Not much risk, just reducing black's potential."

But Inseong said, why not just this?
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . O X X O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . W . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . X X X X X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . O X O O O X O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O X . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm worried that black goes here:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . O X X O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . X X X X X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . O X O O O X O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O X . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But he said that it's not a big deal - I can just walk in:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . O X X O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . W X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . B B B B B . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . O X O O O X O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O X . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's hard for me to comprehend this one right now, to be honest. Black's potential here seems significant, and by defending, I get what? 10 points? I get his point that it'd be more passive to just take the points... Really hard for me to think that way here, though. I can see it in the other cases.

Finally, there was the stuff here:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . O X X O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X X . X . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . X O O . . . O . X X . |
$$ | . . . , X O O . X O . O . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X O . X X O O X . X W . O . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . X X O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . X O X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X . . . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . X X X X X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . O X O O O X O . X . O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Inseong said that I'm trying to "start something", when really, I just need to be calm and finish the game:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . , . O X X O , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . . . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X X . X . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . X O O . . . O . X X . |
$$ | . . . , X O O . X O . O . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . O O O X O . X X O O X . X . . O . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . X X O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . X O X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O X . . . . O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X X . . . X X X X X . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . O X O O O X O . X . O . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . O O X X . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, yeah. I tried to start something, so I can see that one...

I guess I thought that I got the concept of being calm, but I don't quite get it yet. I'll have to contemplate this review for awhile...

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Post #1524 Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:57 pm 
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Some comments on the early play. :)

:w4: You can’t call this a mistake, but occupying the last open corner is almost always the dominant strategy.

:w6: AlphaGoTeach agrees. :)

:w8: Cedes the initiative to Black. Maybe a mistake. Better to approach the bottom left corner.

:b21: Black fell into White’s trap.

:w22: Atari at G-17 first, connect here after Black extends. That leaves Black divided and weak. This way Black can sacrifice the single stone and maybe use it for aji.

:w26: Bad shape, admitting defeat. At least locally.

:w28: Huh? Not on my radar. Desperation? If you are going to invade, surely there are better places.

:b31: Gives White an easy time of it.

:b37: Don’t contact the stone you are attacking.

:w38: How about the hane?

:b39: Surely the block is better.

:w40: Anything wrong with extending on the 3d line?

:b41: Followitis.

:w42: Aji keshi, gratuitously strengthening Black.

:w44: Anything wrong with extending on the 3d line?

:w52: The capture yields easy life.

:w56: A play you just hate to make. White has played at least one extra stone here.

:w58: , :w60: Desperate measures. Well, why not?

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Post #1525 Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:02 am 
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Kirby wrote:
mhlepore wrote:
After move 46 (O11), it reminded me of an O Meien game.


I've heard of O Meien, but I don't know how his go is characterized. Based on that move, maybe he makes shapes in the center?


Yes I don't know how to characterize his play other than to say it can be center oriented and it is unorthodox. But as it relates to your simul game, I feel he likes one or two-space diagonal jumps that loosely wall off the center.

Below are a few games that have this attribute:

http://go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/33806
http://go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/25269

He's also known for a famous ladder misread in a title match:

http://go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/2211

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Post #1526 Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:55 pm 
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for those interested in my game against Ryan, video commentary is here:


It took some time, but I watched the whole video at regular speed, and it was like reliving the simul from Ryan's perspective. It was very fascinating. Ryan's commentary seems to suggest that I lost the game in the endgame - I haven't reviewed with an AI or anything, but i'll take his word for it.

I found his comment interesting, "once you get to be 3 or 4d, you start to appreciate the value of the endgame". i still don't feel that appreciation, so maybe he is right. i suppose it would have helped in this game!

either way, i appreciated the game a lot, and i am grateful to Ryan for the opportunity.

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Post #1527 Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:02 am 
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Soccer season is done. I coached soccer for both of my kids. They seemed to enjoy it. I did, too, except for a couple of overly competitive parents ;-)

Now that that's finished, I'm going to try a new routine, again. I had debated a couple of things:
1. I am kind of interested in chess - I played chess as a kid, but I'm not good at it (just enough to beat my dad). Chess is a lot more popular in America, so it'd be easier to find something to talk about with folks.

2. I'm also a little interested in trying to learn Mandarin Chinese. I have some foundational skills in Japanese and Korean, so it'd be cool to have an idea of what people are saying when they speak in Chinese, too.

3. I like Japanese. I was pretty decent at it about 15 years ago - it helped living there. But I haven't studied in ages. I opened one of the Japanese novels I have in my library, and feelings of nostalgia hit me pretty strongly. Another benefit to studying Japanese is that I never took the JLPT level 1 test. I had that as a goal awhile back, but I never did it. It would have been easier back in 2005, but if I start studying again, maybe I could fulfill that dream.

4. There's practical benefit to studying Korean. I'm probably better at Korean than Japanese, now, and it's fun to chat with folks in Korean at go congresses and stuff. It also helps when I'm speaking with in-laws. And most of my go books/magazines are in Korean, so I can hit two birds with one stone if I read Korean go materials.

5. Could start a business...? Has been on my mind for awhile...

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The difficult part is that I don't have a ton of time to study each day, so I have to narrow down this list. First thing to go, sadly, was #3. The reason is that I can still communicate in Japanese, so the biggest benefit of studying it would be for JLPT. It would be cool to have that certification, but not immediately practical. I could say the same about Korean, but since I already have a better command of Korean, increasing my skill there could make me more fluent and really make it so that I can communicate smoothly. I still have a ways to go to improve speaking in Korean. So if I compare the two, Korean is more practical.

Chinese has some benefit, since it's something totally new... But reflecting, I think I want to have better mastery over Korean than starting over from scratch right now. It's fun to pick up something totally new to learn, but I want to break through with Korean more... Just personal preference, I guess. And again, practical benefit, since I have Korean family members.

So on the language side, maybe I can study Korean... Now how about go vs. chess? I thought about it awhile, and I'm ok with being on my deathbed and thinking, "well, I never learned chess that well"... I'd prefer to get over this wall I have in go. I am stuck around low dan level, and have been for years. If I have to choose between learning chess at a decent level, and achieving a higher dan level in go... I think I want go.

Now what about starting a business? I have had some ideas, but to implement them, it's a non-trivial amount of work. And for what? A little bit extra money? I'm not strapped for cash right now, so it seems like the wrong direction to go.

So that sums it up. I'll do pretty much same as usual: study Korean and go. Chess, Chinese, and Japanese have some appeal to them, but I will have to wait until I reprioritize or make more time for studying...

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Anyway, with that in mind, I tried getting back into routine. I studied some problems on the bus this morning, and I played a game at lunch today at work. I got destroyed :-D



Painful. But I will try to play another game tonight for the AYD. Let's try to play better in tonight's game.

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Did a quick review of the game. A couple of highlights...

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . b X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought this move was aligned with Uberdude's gospel. But it seems that both LZ and katago want me to respond at the top left (somewhere like 'a' or 'b').

But that difference is minor.

Seems that the biggest problem was with this atari:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I played this automatically, feeling like it was joseki-ish. But both bots seem to suggest this:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O W . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not intuitive to me, exactly, but I suppose the idea is to get a position on both sides.

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Kirby wrote:
But both bots seem to suggest this:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O W . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X a . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


New AI-joseki as far as I know. 'a' was the old joseki move if I'm not mistaken. The marked white stone leads to a lot of complicated fighting ^^

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I like to tenuki with the two space high pincer, it is not very sharp

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Kirby wrote:
Seems that the biggest problem was with this atari:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



My immediate thinking (and what I remember from studying such positions a bit, but I wasn't exhaustive and don't remember everything) on this move is that it's only really good with the low 1-space pincer, since then the hanging connection is kind of sente against the pincer (and a bit later the S5 jump tesuji is more effective).

In this position my instinct would be the one-point-jump attach against the pincer. I've read that the AI doesn't like that and indeed prefer the descent on the 4-5 point, but I'm not confident about following it up properly (especially since the variations starting from this cut already tends to be complicated).

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Gomoto wrote:
I like to tenuki with the two space high pincer, it is not very sharp


Thanks - I think I played this simply too fast.

SoDesuNe wrote:
Kirby wrote:
But both bots seem to suggest this:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O W . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X a . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


New AI-joseki as far as I know. 'a' was the old joseki move if I'm not mistaken. The marked white stone leads to a lot of complicated fighting ^^


You seem correct. I think I was confused. My instinct is off, I guess.

Bki wrote:
My immediate thinking (and what I remember from studying such positions a bit, but I wasn't exhaustive and don't remember everything) on this move is that it's only really good with the low 1-space pincer, since then the hanging connection is kind of sente against the pincer (and a bit later the S5 jump tesuji is more effective).

In this position my instinct would be the one-point-jump attach against the pincer. I've read that the AI doesn't like that and indeed prefer the descent on the 4-5 point, but I'm not confident about following it up properly (especially since the variations starting from this cut already tends to be complicated).


I think you are right.

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Today's AYD game:



I won the game by resignation, but there was a variation I was afraid of, which is this:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , X X X . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O O X X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X O X O O O O . X O . . . |
$$ | . O O O . O O X X X O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | X X X O O . X 1 . X X O O O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . O 2 X O O O X . O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O . O X X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O O X . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Either way, before her invasion on the bottom, I felt behind. It seemed that I might have a chance if I could kill the shape on the bottom.

I guess I felt bad after the invasion on the right.. Maybe I should have answered this one?
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , X X X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not really sure - Inseong's review is soon, and I'll also check an AI

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Looked at the game... Yeah, pretty much I was losing the whole time. So lots of areas to improve. I guess the lesson is to play more like my opponent this game :-S

In particular, I think I still need to study the top left joseki more. It's come up too many times - even at the US Go Congress.

This one:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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I played another AYD game today. Here it is:

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At least one thought that comes to mind is that my opponent might have considered this:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . W X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X X O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


instead of this:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X X O X O O . W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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I also felt a little relieved with this move:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white is solid, the result isn't clear to me:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O W X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #1538 Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:46 am 
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Lunch break, so trying to get in some games. Has been weird so far. Hard to get a challenge on KGS, so I said it was open to all players.

First game was against 3k, but I think he didn't like that I was thinking so long, so he resigned before 10 moves so that the game wouldn't be recorded.

Here's that game:



So then I started up a new game, since I had time. This time, I was against 4k. Here's the game:


In the second game, he could have killed me, but somehow I lived, so he resigned... But I think black is still way ahead, so I don't think it's necessary to resign, yet.

In the second game, we also haven't played that much, so it's hard to review, but I suppose this is too much:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I should probably just live passively like this:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . O O X X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But it's weird with handicap games... If I always play properly, there's a decent chance I'll lose. Or at least it's hard to strategize, because I don't know what my opponent will screw up on if I play proper moves...

But on the other hand, I already overplay. And I don't think handicap games help with that - I want to overplay more, because sometimes it works...

I suppose even games are the best, but it's hard to get an even game sometimes on KGS. If I don't have luck tomorrow, I'll aim for playing on fox.

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Today's game on KGS.



Took a bit longer than expected, so I have to get back to work for now. I'll give my review soon.

Basic gist of the game is that black seemed to be winning, I threatened big area in the center. I think he can still win if he doesn't try to live in there, probably. He tried to live, and died. I almost had a good success in bottom left, but he found a way to win with that one. I feel like I screwed up somehow and probably could have killed it, but I'll take a closer look soon.

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So here's a quick review. Black has two stone handicap, and I felt behind at the start for sure. But I had a little bit of a good feeling when black cut here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . B O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O O X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The reason is because white is strong on both sides:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X W W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X X W . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . W . . . W . , W . . |
$$ | . . . . . W . . . . . W W X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The point of a cut is often to weaken the opponent. But since my groups are both pretty strong, the only one weak is black. So it basically gives me a target.

That's why I felt slightly happy with this cut.

That being said, I think this kind of move was a good choice by black:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O O X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It was a bad idea to give me a target, but realizing that, being flexible, and taking points seems good. It was bad to cut probably, but good to take points for black, IMO.

Next notable development was here:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . , . . W . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . B B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O O B O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O O X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not sure if it was a good idea, but I'm aiming at the marked target he gave me earlier.

This move by me seems questionable:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . , . . O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . W . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O O X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My idea is to lure him in. But I feel like if black just takes points elsewhere, black will probably be still ahead.

I'll check with AI later at home.

But he came in...
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . , . . O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . B . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O O X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I guess the bait was successful.

Fast forward a few moves, and I think it's a decent result for me:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . , . . O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O X O O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . O O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O X . . O . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . O O X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So the thing is, when I made that bait earlier, white has a moyo-framework in the middle, but it's not solid territory, yet. So I am not free to do other things if I want to keep that territory.

But after this capture, I'm all solid and stuff, so I feel like I can invade places. So I think it's a success, and I feel good about the game now.

Anyway, the last interesting part to me is the bottom left.

Here:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . , X O O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X X O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X . O X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O O X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X X O . O . O X X O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O O X O O O . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . O X X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O O . O . . O X X X X . O O O X |
$$ | . . O X O . O O O X X O O X O O X X . |
$$ | . B X X . X . X O X X O O O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O X O X X O O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X X O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I played this move, which I think is probaly lame:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . , X O O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X X O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X . O X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O O X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X X O . O . O X X O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O O X O O O . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . O X X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O O . O . . O X X X X . O O O X |
$$ | . W O X O . O O O X X O O X O O X X . |
$$ | . X X X . X . X O X X O O O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O X O X X O O . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X X O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Instead, I think it might work for me to play here:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . , X O O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X X O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O X . O X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O O X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X X O . O . O X X O . |
$$ | . . X , . X X O O O X O O O . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . O X X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O O O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O O O . O . . O X X X X . O O O X |
$$ | . . O X O . O O O X X O O X O O X X . |
$$ | . X X X . X . X O X X O O O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O O X O X X O O . , O . . |
$$ | . W X . . O O X X O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O O O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't see a way for black to live that way.

Fortunately, this didn't decide the game, but in another game, it could have...

Anyway, that's my rough review. I'll check with AI later.

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