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Post #1 Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:30 pm 
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I'm pretty new to the idea of correspondence go, but it's growing on me quickly. I like the idea of having so much time to think about moves and variations that isn't possible in live games. However, I'd like to find a way to memorialize these thoughts, so that I can go back to them in review/if things go wrong. (plus, I find it's a really useful discipline device to prevent me from playing too quickly.) Basically, I'm looking for something like the Malkovich game threads, but just on my computer for any correspondence games I might have going.

Does anyone have suggestions for the best way to track this? The best I've thought of so far is to just have a separate SGF file for the game, and play 2 passes before showing my thinking, so that the game record isn't too messed up, but that feels a bit awkward.

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Post #2 Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:34 pm 
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OGS lets you do Malkovich comments, though I'm not sure if it does variations.

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Post #3 Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:46 pm 
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I would think that the easiest way to do this would be to use the editor of your choice and keep a separate copy with comments. That way you can play on multiple servers and use exactly the same format for tracking the games, thus making your documentation consistent.

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Post #4 Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:21 am 
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DGS has 2 ways for storing comments during a game:
  • hidden comments (a ka "Malkovich" comments with the difference, that hidden-comments stay hidden also to observers, because on a turn-based server you may create another account and view your opponents "Malkovich" comments meant only for yourself and observers)
  • private game notes that are independent of moves
Both will be included in the SGF, that can be downloaded.

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Post #5 Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:02 am 
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Jug, you first comment does make sense to me.
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hidden comments (aka "Malkovich" comments with the difference, that hidden-comments stay hidden also to observers, because on a turn-based server you may create another account and view your opponents "Malkovich" comments meant only for yourself and observers)

Are you saying that the hidden comments are visible only to the author, even in download, or can the observers ever see them at any point? It is not clear.

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Post #6 Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:14 pm 
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Post #7 Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:05 pm 
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OK, maybe either DGS or OGS will implement a way to store variations privately too. For now, I'll work with the offline SGF idea.

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Post #8 Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:49 pm 
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DrStraw wrote:
Jug, you first comment does make sense to me.
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hidden comments (aka "Malkovich" comments with the difference, that hidden-comments stay hidden also to observers, because on a turn-based server you may create another account and view your opponents "Malkovich" comments meant only for yourself and observers)

Are you saying that the hidden comments are visible only to the author, even in download, or can the observers ever see them at any point? It is not clear.

As S2W stated, DGS hidden comments are only visible to the author at any time (on the game board, game-comments-page and sgf-download), and visible to everyone else only after the game has ended.

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Post #9 Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:07 pm 
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jug wrote:
DrStraw wrote:
Jug, you first comment does make sense to me.
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hidden comments (aka "Malkovich" comments with the difference, that hidden-comments stay hidden also to observers, because on a turn-based server you may create another account and view your opponents "Malkovich" comments meant only for yourself and observers)

Are you saying that the hidden comments are visible only to the author, even in download, or can the observers ever see them at any point? It is not clear.

As S2W stated, DGS hidden comments are only visible to the author at any time (on the game board, game-comments-page and sgf-download), and visible to everyone else only after the game has ended.


That's what I thought, but all that stuff about Malkovich comments, whatever they are, confused me.

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Post #10 Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:24 pm 
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DrStraw wrote:
That's what I thought, but all that stuff about Malkovich comments, whatever they are, confused me.

Malkovich games were invented here on this forum

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Post #11 Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:51 am 
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OGS definitely has private variation storage!

I use it to keep my pathetic dreams in a place where they can continue to deceive me.

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Post #12 Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:56 am 
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joellercoaster wrote:
OGS definitely has private variation storage!

Oh, interesting! I'll have to poke around more to try to find that.

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Post #13 Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:17 am 
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joellercoaster wrote:
OGS definitely has private variation storage!

I use it to keep my pathetic dreams in a place where they can continue to deceive me.


Where?

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Post #14 Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:14 pm 
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