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Post #1 Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:16 am 
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Post #2 Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:48 am 
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The game was relayed live on OGS, with interesting comments: http://online-go.com/game/508158

This thread is also of relevance for these games: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:41 am 
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I was fortunate enough to attend the match live today. Chang Hao gave a solid review of the game. The general consensus afterwards was that Gu Li had a nice opening, but played a bit too softly letting Li Sedol take the lead in the middlegame.

After the game when the players were taking questions, Gu Li mentioned that Lee Sedol appears to be getting stronger.


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Post #4 Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:22 am 
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I was fortunate enough to attend the match live today.


But where? You have your location as Beijing but I've seen a reference to the location being the Sunlake Hotel in Pinghu - which would be appropriate as the site of the famous Fan-Shi ten-game match.

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Post #5 Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:24 am 
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John Fairbairn wrote:
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I was fortunate enough to attend the match live today.


But where? You have your location as Beijing but I've seen a reference to the location being the Sunlake Hotel in Pinghu - which would be appropriate as the site of the famous Fan-Shi ten-game match.


Yes, the game was played at the Sunlake Hotel in Pinghu. Despite the name, I am currently living in Shanghai and the trip to Zhejiang can be made in under an hour.

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Post #6 Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:36 am 
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Nice! Did you have to pay the reported 10,000 CNY fee to be there?

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Post #7 Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:51 pm 
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Nice! Did you have to pay the reported 10,000 CNY fee to be there?


For 10,000 RMB I would expect to be eating dinner with the players at a pre-game banquet and have access to all the private rooms.

Alas, I can't imagine anyone there in the general audience actually paid an entrance fee. A friend of mine in Shanghai found a contact for one of the organizers from MLily and sent him a WeChat message in advance. He told us he'd give us free tickets on arrival at the hotel so we decided to make a day trip. Most of the spectators were hobbyist go players and small children - not a particularly wealthy crowd.

Perhaps for the games played in Beijing and Shanghai, where demand would be much higher, tickets might be at more of a premium.


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Post #8 Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:06 am 
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Incidentally, do you know roughly when, in terms of moves, the players went into byo-yomi?

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Post #9 Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:50 am 
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Does 2-0 mean Gu Li is going to bring the fireworks for Game 3? So far I haven't seen anything extra-ordinary an aggressive approach move maybe to fend off the mini-Chinese, which he didn't like in game 1? There for a moment Lee Sidol played a 3-5 as black which is less common in modern play though I have expected it to be more common for black(where it was previously played by white before komi) to try to destabilize the game to overcome komi, but then he made a shimari for his next move, and the game proceeded to be a tight territorial game.

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Post #10 Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:56 pm 
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Of course, since they are playing Chinese rules, the final score was really W+0.5 (or 1/4 zi, as reported on Chinese language sites)

Here's some Chinese commentary from weiqi.sports.tom.com (wishing I could read Chinese now)



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Post #11 Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:30 am 
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Google translate of 31 first moves

First hand: Hello everyone, I'm Jin Tingxian Sec. Lee ancient ten Fanqi second inning, Coulee Kudan Zhihei. In Shoujubisai Lishi Shi Bujin Ying a Qi, Erju Xiachulehao Neirong. Ten Fanqi, whether for Li Shishi first two-game winning streak is very important. If you win today, the ten Fanqi can control the process of

Section 4: White Step hung, Li Shishi under very active today. Black ordinary care is back. Now Coulee long test, it is sufficient to use the ten Fanqi time.

Section 5 Hand: Shishi Coulee hanging on coming ignored, occupy the lower left of the head, but this is a momentum dismount it.

Section 11 Hand: Order now be very smooth disk.

Section 12: White hanging from this direction, some rare. Li Shishi be consistently positive break the routine dismount?

Hand 22: At this point is a fixed-type moves, the next to go under it Black. The first feeling is pushed to a, can also be high all the way b.
Hand 22: The first feeling is a force in the past. (Arnhem Chun)

23 Hand: Coulee go first sense of chess. Next, there are three basic moves, one is a shoulder punch, one directly to the left split two, one b fly.
23 hand: the more slow chess, the more important sequence disk. Because the sequence plate behind, can not help but go unreasonable nature of chess, there is plenty of time to have to drive under good order. In particular, among the game's top players, and even more so. Now, Li Shishi plate in order to invest a lot of time.

The first 26 hands: Li Shishi now evade combat, field earned through compromise.
The first 26 hands: Li Shishi mean, as long as the stability of the chess piece, the right of the thinness Black will be exposed. (Arnhem Chun five paragraphs)

Section 27 Hands: Black This step unexpectedly, under very soft. Black is to draw just get it. Next a Dangxia White, Black on the left pushed b, if the left split two White, Black on bottom c fly into, so Black would be too painful.
Section 27 Hand: This step is not easy to be absurd, go very light, seems to be a good move. This step fully embodies the Coulee strengths. (Arnhem dredging five paragraphs.)

Section 28: White Dangxia this step, it seems that can not be omitted.

The first 29 hands: The next step is to the left of the first sense a jump.
Black left the area look very good. (Arnhem Chun five paragraphs)
Section 29: White has a powerful means to enter after the right of b.

30 Hands: Black sit next ordinary purgation is hanging, White tie pile, Black split two. If the left can also follow the jump Black, White fly on the upper left guard. Black left looks like this is certainly good, but also not bad White upper left.

Hand 31: If so, the next step will be very interested White upper left corner association. Because White is the next Li Shishi, might also be considered a below into account....


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Post #12 Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:33 am 
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Knotwilg wrote:
Google translate of 31 first moves [..]

thanks :-D

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Knotwilg wrote:

Lee ancient ten Fanqi second inning


"Ancient" btw. is Gu. His first name is Li, which according to my rudimentary Chinese means "power." Thus, his name means "ancient power." Not a bad name for a go player. Is it a pseudonym? In any case, don't count him out!

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Post #14 Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:35 pm 
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In this post on FB the Seattle Go Center offers a PDF download of
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an interesting article on the 2nd game of the Lee Sedol - Gu Li Jubango from the Tygem web site, translated from the Korean by our member Brian Kirby.

http://www.seattlego.org/docs/
Jubango Match 2 – Commentary (Rev 2) (direct link 1.1 MB)


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Post #15 Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:11 pm 
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Among a lot of press, you can see the president, Ni Jang Gun, the President of MLily. (Brian Kirby’s commentary: Where? I just see the back of people’s heads...)

its the back of the head of the really tall guy

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Post #16 Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:45 pm 
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Jubango Match 2 – Commentary (Rev 2) (direct link 1.1 MB)


Greetings, Tom


When I did read the article I saw that both played on a rather cheap goban. It's a shame. For this series they should play on a rather bold goban - something for the eyes and the tradition.

Also, I wonder if Gu Li will change his attitude and play even more aggressive or if he may have given up already.

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