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Post #1 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:13 am 
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Tiny typo on page 2. ( Surely completely innocuous. )
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Post #2 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:57 am 
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EdLee wrote:
Tiny typo on page 2. ( Surely completely innocuous.)

Unfortunately, nothing in that note is correct.

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Post #3 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:09 am 
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It reminds me of the ceremonial every-twenty-years fusion energy furor (non-scientists mos-interpret scientific results).

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Post #4 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:29 am 
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zorq wrote:
EdLee wrote:
Tiny typo on page 2. ( Surely completely innocuous.)

Unfortunately, nothing in that note is correct.


At least it's imprecise.

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Post #5 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:35 pm 
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zorq wrote:
Unfortunately, nothing in that note is correct.

At least it's imprecise.

Not imprecise. It is total rubbish. It shows that this famous powerful mathematician has lost his mental faculties.

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The pros are being cautious.

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Post #7 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:59 pm 
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This looks like an 89 year-old 9p claiming for the third time he can still win an international tournament and play blitz while his opponent plays slowly.

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EdLee wrote:
The pros are being cautious.

No, they are not cautious, they are polite.

But yeah, it's sad... and probably hard to manage for everybody involved :cry:

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To be skeptically cautious and polite are not mutually exclusive. :)

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EdLee wrote:
To be skeptically cautious and polite are not mutually exclusive. :)

When I say "they are not cautious, they are polite", I mean that, if it was not Atiyah or another great mathematician past his prime, they would probably say "Is this a joke? That's rubbish, there's nothing of value here" instead of "I'm skeptically cautious".

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We wait and see. :)

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Post #12 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:01 pm 
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Let us ask Leela Zero about the winrate.


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Post #13 Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:19 am 
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I found these rather hilarious because almost all of them imply that they are sure they've found a proof, which to me is a significant turn off. If I discovered a proof I would write 'it seems like so and so mathematical function points towards a proof, I wonder why'. I wouldn't even have have the nerve to claim I think it's actually a proof. And I remember another groundbreaking paper that had a very unassuming title, the opposite of grandiose. I don't know why these mathematics just come and say 'I have a proof' so easily when we're talking high-level maths. But Sir Atiyah's one was caused by mental decline, so I find it sad rather than funny . . . https://empslocal.ex.ac.uk/people/staff ... proofs.htm

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Post #14 Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:52 pm 
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In math, either you have a proof, where each step logically (provably) follows from some set of previous steps, concluding with the final result, or you don't, because, say, you can't prove that step G follows from step F. Your proof might have an error, and people might find that error once you publish it, but you don't publish it thinking that it's 50-50 whether there's an error or not.

If you have an proof, you show it, and you say "I have a proof". You don't say "it seems like step F points towards step G, I wonder why"; if that were the case, it wouldn't be a proof, and you wouldn't publish it. You might say to your colleagues, "Hey, I feel like step F should imply step G, and if I could show it, I would have a proof of Z, does anyone have any bright ideas", or you might publish a conjecture that Z is true. But published proofs occur at a point in the process well past "It seems like such-and-such, I wonder why".

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Post #15 Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:34 am 
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dfan wrote:
In math, either you have a proof, where each step logically (provably) follows from some set of previous steps, concluding with the final result, or you don't, because, say, you can't prove that step G follows from step F. Your proof might have an error, and people might find that error once you publish it, but you don't publish it thinking that it's 50-50 whether there's an error or not.

If you have an proof, you show it, and you say "I have a proof". You don't say "it seems like step F points towards step G, I wonder why"; if that were the case, it wouldn't be a proof, and you wouldn't publish it. You might say to your colleagues, "Hey, I feel like step F should imply step G, and if I could show it, I would have a proof of Z, does anyone have any bright ideas", or you might publish a conjecture that Z is true. But published proofs occur at a point in the process well past "It seems like such-and-such, I wonder why".


I see what you mean, and it makes sense, but I do still think it makes sense to say this appears to prove or this appears to be a proof. It's a proof from the perspective of anyone who assumes there are no errors.

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