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Post #81 Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:09 am 
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Even with the full-featured trial, my main gripe with ZBaduk is playouts ceasing during analysis. There seems to be an automatic loss of connection after (almost exactly) twenty minutes. At this point, not only do the *displayed* playouts stop completely, but it is also possible to tell that the *actual* playouts have stopped because the ownership display freezes (which is usually active even if the displayed playouts have stopped). Moreover, if at that point I click a move onto the board, analysis of it will not even start. However, the loss of connection is not indicated by the "Connect..." button turning red. The site still shows that I'm connected even if I'm not.

I realize that analyzing a position for over twenty minutes (which averages (in my case?) about 300,000 to 400,000 playouts per bot) is not something most users are likely to need, but if this is a simple fix, I would welcome it greatly. :)

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Post #82 Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:20 pm 
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Maharani wrote:
Even with the full-featured trial, my main gripe with ZBaduk is playouts ceasing during analysis. There seems to be an automatic loss of connection after (almost exactly) twenty minutes.


Timeouts are a bit complex.
But you are correct, that not-changing-positions for 20 minutes results in a disconnect.
And I do think you make a valid point.

And I will increase this limit straightaway. 1 hour sounds way more reasonable.
that should allow users to get about 1 million readouts per bot.
(and please note, if you change position in between, you won't be disconnected at all of course).

UPDATE:
done

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Post #83 Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:23 am 
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Sweet!! Thank you so much :)

EDIT - Doesn't seem to have gone into effect for me yet, it still stops reading after twenty minutes...

spook wrote:
(and please note, if you change position in between, you won't be disconnected at all of course).


Changing positions resets the (actual, not displayed) playouts for all moves, so it basically has the same effect *as if* you disconnected.

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Post #84 Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:03 pm 
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You are correct, I overlooked something. (a second setting, which is used by the server.)
I have prepared a fix, and will install it this evening.

For other readers:
I did actually just install a minor bugfix for the front-end,
which fixes a bug which has to do with "pass" moves.

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Post #85 Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:38 pm 
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Hi there, I saw above that ZBaduk is looking for sponsors. Is there somewhere where folks can donate in a small way, such as a kofi or patreon?

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Post #86 Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:34 pm 
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ZBaduk is great! The issue I'm having is that I cannot analyze handicap games. The handicap stones do not show in the UI. Ive tried it with files from OGS or KGS that work fine with Lizzie and LeelaZero.

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Post #87 Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:01 pm 
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zermelo wrote:
*snip* The handicap stones do not show in the UI. *snip*

You might use a text editor to edit the SGF-file.

Handicap stones are coded with "AB" (= "add Black"), this will display in one of the first lines of the file.

E.g. four handicap stones are:
AB[pd][dp][dd][pp]

"[xy]" is the coding of one point on the board.

Replace "AB" with ";B" (= play a Black move) before each coordinate.
Additionally add three White moves as ";W[tt]" (= White passes).

;B[pd];W[tt];B[dp];W[tt];B[dd];W[tt];B[pp]

Save the file and start analysing the game. White's first move is #8 now, instead of #1.

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Post #88 Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:40 am 
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I didn't want to make it official yet.
But you can expect handicap features in a couple of days (maybe a week) from now.

Cassandra's workaround is correct, you could manipulate the SGF file.
Or for manual entry, you can use the pass button.
However, the winrate chart will look a little strange for the first moves of the game.
And they effectively be displayed as moves in the tree.

So, the only good solution is an update of ZBaduk.
It's coming!

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Post #89 Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:47 pm 
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First off, let me say thank you again for increasing the disconnect time from 20 minutes to 60 minutes. This greatly increased my enjoyment of ZBaduk, and I look forward to enjoying my year-long sponsorship. So when I keep coming back with suggestions, please know that it's because I love ZBaduk, not because I'm trying to be annoying :)

My current biggest pet-peeve is that the shades of white used to display projected ownership are nearly indistinguishable from each other. On a brightly lit screen, I can easily make out at least seven different shades of black, but only three shades of white at best (and even the brightest looks pretty shy). I would love if the brightness of projected white ownership could be increased :)

Secondly, I think this thread title and maybe your signature deserve an inclusion of KataGo? :)

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Post #90 Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:49 pm 
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tenarofatuan wrote:
Hi there, I saw above that ZBaduk is looking for sponsors. Is there somewhere where folks can donate in a small way, such as a kofi or patreon?


Right now, there are 4 ways to support or sponsor ZBaduk: :study:

1. payed memberships
2. tell people about it: twitter, facebook, youtube, ... always appreciated !
3. if you are a company or like to sponsor/support ZBaduk in a bigger way, please contact me.
4. I tried a T-shirt sale some time ago, (not a big succes).

Because paypal is blocked in some countries, some people have e-mailed me looking for other payment options.
That's one of the reasons why I have been thinking about a "kickstarter project".
It would of course be an attempt to attract a bigger audience, but it would also allow other payment systems.
More people = more servers = all kind of advantages.
But it's a lot of work to set it up. (recording videos, set-up of rewards, ...)

Patreon sounds interesting. But I don't know much about it neither.
I can imagine that it's probably just as much work.

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The handicap feature is done. :)
You can expect the update in a couple of hours.
Here's a preview.

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Maharani wrote:
So when I keep coming back with suggestions, please know that it's because I love ZBaduk, not because I'm trying to be annoying :)


In all honesty, I appreciate your feedback a lot! :tmbup:


Maharani wrote:
I would love if the brightness of projected white ownership could be increased :)

I have been experimenting with this, but I haven't found a satisfying solution yet.
I'll keep you posted.

Maharani wrote:
Secondly, I think this thread title and maybe your signature deserve an inclusion of KataGo? :)

I don't know how to rename the thread. :scratch: Perhaps some admin can do this?
But you do have a point, and I have updated my signature straight away. ;-)

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Post #91 Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:26 pm 
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Thanks for the wonderful webapp! I know you have been trying to add variable komi, I don't know if this helps, but here is a page of a guy who did it https://katago-gui.herokuapp.com/index_mobile#
All the best!


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