It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:42 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 121 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 7  Next
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #21 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:37 am 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 227
Location: Osnabrück, Germany
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 24
Rank: EGF 1d WBaduk 4d
Quote:
True, I have not found, not even after years of searching, any credible evidence that people ever were gassed and incinerated by the Nazi’s[...]


...I'm not downloading this software even if it were the last exe-file on the globe.


This post by Jonas was liked by 5 people: blaubaer, ChradH, Mnemonic, SoDesuNe, zinger
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #22 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:22 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 399
Location: Shanghai, China
Liked others: 5
Was liked: 35
Rank: EGF 2d KGS 3d
GD Posts: 353
KGS: freegame
Jonas wrote:
...I'm not downloading this software even if it were the last exe-file on the globe.


your loss...

It's nice software. What the guy believes in or not does not change that.

_________________
Laurens
Go school: freegame's Teaching School
Author of: The Next Move a book for 15-3kyu players.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #23 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:27 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
I must admit, I don't quite understand why people wouldn't download the software as free just because it's author has those kind of views. Walt Disney was known for his right wing extremism, but that doesn't stop most people buying Disney films.

It was one thing when it was still costing money, and that money went towards holocaust denialists, because then the money you put forward may go to a cause you despise, but if it is free?


This post by topazg was liked by 2 people: CarlJung, Gene
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #24 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:30 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1348
Location: Finland
Liked others: 49
Was liked: 129
Rank: FGA 7k GoR 1297
freegame wrote:
It's nice software. What the guy believes in or not does not change that.

Pretty much my thoughts. If it was commercial, and I suspected that my money would support something I find questionable, I might not buy it, but as long as it's a free download, the author can have his opinions; I don't feel that I support them in any way if I download his software.

e: topazg was quicker

_________________
Offending ad removed

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #25 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:49 am 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 227
Location: Osnabrück, Germany
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 24
Rank: EGF 1d WBaduk 4d
Maybe you are right, but personally (and after reading his blog) I've the feeling that downloading the software provides him some kind of acknowledgement that I'm not willing to give him.


This post by Jonas was liked by: SoDesuNe
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #26 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:16 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 429
Location: Sweden
Liked others: 101
Was liked: 73
Rank: SDK
KGS: CarlJung
Jonas wrote:
Maybe you are right, but personally (and after reading his blog) I've the feeling that downloading the software provides him some kind of acknowledgement that I'm not willing to give him.


I have no problem acknowledging that his software is jaw droppingly cool (the instant pattern matching). But that in itself does not make me share or even acknowledge any other view he might have. I see and understand your view, I just see it slightly different.

_________________
FusekiLibrary, an opening library.
SGF converter tools: Wbaduk NGF to SGF | 440 go problems | Fuseki made easy | Tesuji made easy | Elementary training & Dan level testing | Dan Tutor Shortcut To Dan

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #27 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:23 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1810
Liked others: 490
Was liked: 365
Rank: KGS 1-dan
Jonas wrote:
Maybe you are right, but personally (and after reading his blog) I've the feeling that downloading the software provides him some kind of acknowledgement that I'm not willing to give him.


Same here.

And by the way, I don't consider anything a loss, what I never desired to have.

For what it's worth: Disney died 1966, that's just 12 years after the us-principle "seperate but equal" got officially rejected by the supreme court. You can't compare something, which was largely (well, white majority~) accepted through all levels of society to this time with something that is nowadays well investigated, proved and accepted by all legitimate states in the world.

_________________
My "guide" to become stronger in Go

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #28 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:44 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
SoDesuNe wrote:
For what it's worth: Disney died 1966, that's just 12 years after the us-principle "seperate but equal" got officially rejected by the supreme court. You can't compare something, which was largely (well, white majority~) accepted through all levels of society to this time with something that is nowadays well investigated, proved and accepted by all legitimate states in the world.


I believe you can, because the point isn't the general acceptability of it, it's the individual's desire to not be seen to support something they feel is anywhere between unpleasant and abhorrent. It doesn't matter whether that is political, religious, based on race / gender / ethnicity, so the gravitas of the comparison is irrelevant - the issue being raised here is to whether or not an individual is supporting the views of the author of software by downloading said software. I can understand Jonas' point that it feels like an acknowledgement that he is unwilling to make.

I found Frank repeatedly impossible to talk to, on even completely non controversial issues. I find some of his political views extremely disagreeable. Even specifically regards to MoyoGo itself, I feel that his acquirement of his professional game Go database was underhanded.

However, at the same time, I am happy to acknowledge that his software is really very good. If the money was going to a cause I believed was wrong, I wouldn't pay for it. If I believed the money was supporting action on the software (such as stealing other people's code or databases), I wouldn't pay for it. If it is free, and high quality, I will happily download it without a belief that I am funding, supporting, or endorsing any of his beliefs, views or practices. I see them as non-associated issues.

EDIT: I'm also not trying to make a point that my way is right either. I think Jonas has every right to feel fully justified in his decision. I just think there are different ways to view the whole issue, and that I and others that don't have the same issue with downloading the software also have every right to feel justified.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #29 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:58 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 305
Liked others: 1
Was liked: 16
Rank: hopeless
I'm with Jonas. I don't want to be associated, pay or free.

Furthermore if I download the game database, I would have the nagging feeling that, in a roundabout way, I have stolen something. Would you accept, say, a stolen laptop as a gift?

Anyway I have previously purchased SmartGo for its game database/search and I am happy with it.

_________________
Main Entry: zing·er Pronunciation: \ˈziŋ-ər\
1 : something causing or meant to cause interest, surprise, or shock
2 : a pointed witty remark or retort

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #30 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:06 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1348
Location: Finland
Liked others: 49
Was liked: 129
Rank: FGA 7k GoR 1297
zinger wrote:
Would you accept, say, a stolen laptop as a gift?

No, if I knew it was stolen. It would also be illegal (in Finland).

Tell me more about the databases, I'm not aware of the story.

_________________
Offending ad removed

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #31 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:10 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
zinger wrote:
Would you accept, say, a stolen laptop as a gift?


No, but it's not a very precise analogy. A better analogy would be a non-stolen laptop with unlicensed software on it. In which case, if I already owned a license to the other software in my name, then yes I would. Otherwise I would remove the software or get a license for the software. This analogy fits I think in each case.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #32 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:29 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 603
Liked others: 43
Was liked: 139
Rank: 6-7k KGS
Jonas wrote:
Quote:
True, I have not found, not even after years of searching, any credible evidence that people ever were gassed and incinerated by the Nazi’s[...]


...I'm not downloading this software even if it were the last exe-file on the globe.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who has a problem with apostrophe abuse. ;-)


This post by Fedya was liked by 4 people: Chew Terr, ChradH, daal, quantumf
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #33 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:47 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 281
Location: France
Liked others: 69
Was liked: 25
Rank: yes
Disregarding the paid / free issue, can you trust this kind of software vendor ? How can you be sure that there's no malicious code inside ? You can't, so you have to trust the vendor to use it.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #34 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:07 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 429
Location: Sweden
Liked others: 101
Was liked: 73
Rank: SDK
KGS: CarlJung
Frank has stated before that he has choosen not to even install a remote license validation (or something similar, I'm not 100% sure), something that is widely used by others, in an effort not to cause paying customers any inconvenience.

That said, with the free version we aren't paying customers and he has changed his mind on more serious issues than license validation in the past so perhaps the above doesn't mean anything.

_________________
FusekiLibrary, an opening library.
SGF converter tools: Wbaduk NGF to SGF | 440 go problems | Fuseki made easy | Tesuji made easy | Elementary training & Dan level testing | Dan Tutor Shortcut To Dan

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #35 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:26 am 
Honinbo

Posts: 9545
Liked others: 1600
Was liked: 1711
KGS: Kirby
Tygem: 커비라고해
I don't know much about the Frank debate, but I don't have any real qualms against him. I don't "hate" anybody in this world. That's the thing I like about my signature - to know all is to forgive all.

From the little I've seen of Frank, he seems to have wild opinions... But if I understood Frank more, maybe I could relate to him. The same goes for anyone - even people I disagree with or get mad at.

So for me, it comes down to considering if downloading the software is wrong. It's free, so I'm certainly not supporting a bad cause. The only reason I can think of not downloading the software would be if I had a thing against Frank. But as explained earlier, I don't really have a thing against anybody - I just don't understand every person all of the time. But with enough understanding, I would.

_________________
be immersed


This post by Kirby was liked by: Bantari
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #36 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:15 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1348
Location: Finland
Liked others: 49
Was liked: 129
Rank: FGA 7k GoR 1297
lorill wrote:
Disregarding the paid / free issue, can you trust this kind of software vendor ? How can you be sure that there's no malicious code inside ? You can't, so you have to trust the vendor to use it.

If you don't trust the vendor and you don't trust anti-virus/malware tools, then you can always run it in a virtual machine.

_________________
Offending ad removed

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #37 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:53 am 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 263
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Liked others: 32
Was liked: 10
Rank: KGS 5-kyu
GD Posts: 60
CarlJung wrote:
Here's instructions for Vista:

In Explorer, right click "Computer". Choose properties.
Click "Advanvced system settings".
Choose the "Advanced" tab.
In Performance section, click "Settings".
In "Performance Options" dialog, choose "Data Execution Prevention" tab.
Select "Turn on DEP for all programs and services except those I select:"
Click "Add..." button. Browse to the "Setup2009.exe" program (the main install).
Select Open, ok, apply or whatever it takes. You will be prompted to restart the computer.
Restart computer.
Start the Setup2009.exe program.
Install away...

You might need to add the databases as exceptions as well if you are going to install those. I haven't tried those so I don't know.
I did this, and it seemed to install fine, but when I try to run the app, I just get a bunch of errors that say "Not enough storage is available to process this command." and "The parameter is incorrect." Should I also add moyogo.exe to the DEP exception list?

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #38 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:19 am 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 429
Location: Sweden
Liked others: 101
Was liked: 73
Rank: SDK
KGS: CarlJung
MountainGo wrote:
I did this, and it seemed to install fine, but when I try to run the app, I just get a bunch of errors that say "Not enough storage is available to process this command." and "The parameter is incorrect." Should I also add moyogo.exe to the DEP exception list?


No. Check the troubleshooting section of the manual on moyogo.com. A solution is described there, hopefully it works for you.

_________________
FusekiLibrary, an opening library.
SGF converter tools: Wbaduk NGF to SGF | 440 go problems | Fuseki made easy | Tesuji made easy | Elementary training & Dan level testing | Dan Tutor Shortcut To Dan

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #39 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:47 am 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 263
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Liked others: 32
Was liked: 10
Rank: KGS 5-kyu
GD Posts: 60
Thanks, Carl. That's my bad for not checking the manual. Creating the registry key he suggested seems to have worked (hell if I understand all that, though). Hilariously, though, everything seemed to be working perfectly except for the fact that the board didn't show up, even when I chose it in the "show" menu. However, I got it to come up by choosing a window layout under Settings.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: FREE Download of Moyo Go Studio 2009 and game packs
Post #40 Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:40 pm 
Beginner

Posts: 4
Liked others: 0
Was liked: 0
Does the software works on a 32 bits machin running with windows 7?When I download it and try to start the install file,an error message appears saying download didn't succeed.Any helping ideas?

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 121 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 7  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group