Goban measurements

General discussions about gobans, etc., go here. If you're selling go equipment, it should go in the Trading Post.
Post Reply
User avatar
zslane
Dies with sente
Posts: 79
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:37 pm
GD Posts: 0
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Been thanked: 25 times

Goban measurements

Post by zslane »

Can someone explain to me how it became common to sell goban (and shogiban as well) that are 5mm short of a full sun multiple? For instance, I see boards listed as size #20 that are 5.5cm, size #30 that are 8.5cm, #40 that are 11.5cm, and so on. If you add 5mm of wood back to these boards, you basically get 2-sun, 3-sun, and 4-sun boards respectively. What's up with making boards 5mm short and calling them size #x0 where x is the sun size they fall just short of?
msgreg
Lives with ko
Posts: 294
Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:58 am
GD Posts: 0
Universal go server handle: MSGreg
Has thanked: 47 times
Been thanked: 94 times

Re: Goban measurements

Post by msgreg »

I have no idea. But that doesn't stop me from speculating.

I can't find a similar reference for Japanese standards, but in the US, hardwood is traditionally stated in inches unfinished. The finished size is smaller due to the finishing process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumber#Hardwoods

For example, stated size of 4 inches is a final size of 3.75 inches.

5mm is approximately 0.20 inches, so the difference between stated size and finished size may very well be the same reason. (for reference, 0.25inches = 6.35mm)
Founder, Central Mississippi Go Club
Free tips and resources for clubs and teaching
Go Kit Club Pack - pack of 13x13 go sets for clubs
Go Tin - very portable go
skydyr
Oza
Posts: 2495
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:06 am
GD Posts: 0
Universal go server handle: skydyr
Online playing schedule: When my wife is out.
Location: DC
Has thanked: 156 times
Been thanked: 436 times

Re: Goban measurements

Post by skydyr »

I imagine it's a bit like TVs and monitors, where you get, say, a 40" class TV that is actually 39.5, or a 22" monitor that is 21.5". It's cheaper to round, for them.
User avatar
Annihilist
Lives with ko
Posts: 161
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:47 am
Rank: KGS 10 kyu
GD Posts: 0
KGS: Annihilist
IGS: Annihilist
DGS: Ubermensch
Kaya handle: Annihilist
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 18 times

Re: Goban measurements

Post by Annihilist »

5mm doesn't sound like enough of an error margin for manufacturers to worry about too much.
skydyr
Oza
Posts: 2495
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:06 am
GD Posts: 0
Universal go server handle: skydyr
Online playing schedule: When my wife is out.
Location: DC
Has thanked: 156 times
Been thanked: 436 times

Re: Goban measurements

Post by skydyr »

As an afterthought, lumber sizes might also be a good point of comparison. 2"x4" beams not actually being 2x4 in cross-section and all that. I think that has to do with the original 2x4 having some of the wood removed when planing, etc.
tj86430
Gosei
Posts: 1348
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:42 am
Rank: FGA 7k GoR 1297
GD Posts: 0
Location: Finland
Has thanked: 49 times
Been thanked: 129 times

Re: Goban measurements

Post by tj86430 »

skydyr wrote:As an afterthought, lumber sizes might also be a good point of comparison. 2"x4" beams not actually being 2x4 in cross-section and all that. I think that has to do with the original 2x4 having some of the wood removed when planing, etc.

At least here it depends on whether it is unfinished (sawn) or finished (planed). Unfinished 2" by 4" is pretty much 50mm x 100mm (I know that 2" is 50,8mm and 4" is 101,6mm, but since we are in the metric system here it is supposed to be 50x100 even if it's called "twobyfour" - "kakkosnelonen" in Finnish). Finished product is 45mm x 95mm. Similarly "twobytwo" is either 50x50 (sawn) or 45x45 (planed) etc.
Offending ad removed
Post Reply