44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X B . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
at first i was afraid he might play as such.
later i read again..he has nothing.

My sealed move is c10...looks like a biig ko
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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quantumf wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X B . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
at first i was afraid he might play as such.
later i read again..he has nothing.

My sealed move is c10...looks like a biig ko


I agree that this is what is going to happen. I just fear that Violence isn't going to have enough ko threats, and the game might end abruptly.
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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quantumf wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X B . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
at first i was afraid he might play as such.
later i read again..he has nothing.

My sealed move is c10...looks like a biig ko

Could someone please show that Ko? I just cannot find it ...
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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Now there actually is a Kerby...
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Kirby wrote:Now there actually is a Kerby...

And with a similar avatar too...
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tj86430 wrote:
Kirby wrote:Now there actually is a Kerby...

And with a somewhat similar avatar too...
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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Sorry, I was out for the whole day.

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tomorrow, I'm going to get the opening reviewed by a professional. Are you interested in seeing the comments, Magicwand?

I won't be asking him about where to play from here, I doubt we'll get close to here.
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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SpongeBob wrote:
quantumf wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X B . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
at first i was afraid he might play as such.
later i read again..he has nothing.

My sealed move is c10...looks like a biig ko

Could someone please show that Ko? I just cannot find it ...

if black descends, white also descends, and black becomes weak. So I think black must counter-atari at c7, and white must capture, and black must atari at b9, and i don't think white has time to connect, so white must counter-atari as well and fight the ko.
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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professional comment is good.
i am sure observers will learn from professional's comment.
thx.

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . B X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i will settle with below picture. one thing good about being ahead is that you have too many options. and you can have subpar result and be satisfied.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O 2 7 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . B X O 3 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . a b O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Last edited by Magicwand on Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:22 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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quantumf wrote:
if black descends, white also descends, and black becomes weak. So I think black must counter-atari at c7, and white must capture, and black must atari at b9, and i don't think white has time to connect, so white must counter-atari as well and fight the ko.




Just for to make it more explicit, I have put it here into Eidogo. Notice that if White cannot fight the Ko because he does not have the threats, he can also connect (like shown). Well, now Magicwand played something else, anyway ...
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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before the professional comment i will make some comment.
his invasion looked not right.
what should he have played??? i dont know..
as i explained earlier variation 3-3 will yield better result than actual game.
i dont think 3-3 is optimal either..

anyway..he played 1 as below then he should have played as below.
although it is not much different i think below variation is little better than actual game.

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[go]$$Wc Move 23 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . 2 . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X 9 . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . 1 6 3 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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more comment:
i wasnt sure if i could hanne as below. i didnt like his probe at 2.
i was happy when he didnt see that probe. after that i felt i gained some points and i am ahead.
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[go]$$Bc Move 23 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . 2 1 . . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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more comment:
what he played below is so~~ wrong. he has a weak group and he play such move. that is so wrong...goes against the fundamentals of go.
remember.. you can not overplay and try to makeup the points... it will work against weaker players not at my level.

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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final comment:
if i had to play this move again i wouldnt play as i did.
since i am ahead..i didnt have to hanne. below variation would be plenty and give him no chance to comeback.
i regret my hanne. it gave him what he wanted..a chance.
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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My prediction for the next few moves:
I assume that black intends this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O . . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . B X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...which looks good for white initially, but...

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O 4 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 . 5 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So white should play like this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O , . 5 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . B X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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