Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

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Well there are two sides to defend on and this side prevents black from making a base.

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"a" looks strange but i'll have to figure out how to respond to it when it comes up.
I think black will first jump out and save a for later.
It looks passive to defend myself at b after black jumps but maybe having two strong groups on both sides of a weak group is a good idea.

Although if black jumps there his group is still unsettled so I can maybe take a bigger point somewhere else since I don't think a will support his group completely.

(Although to be honest if he makes the jump to "a" I'm not really sure how to keep the group weak.)

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A?
actually by looking at this diagram my 3 stones look very hard to settle...
if these three stones are so easy to disrupt why do I see this played in other peoples games...

I think I should press him down against the 2nd line and have a thick group to prevent them from becoming heavy. Then I can play my big move.
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Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

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Isn't pushing this way much better for white?
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Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

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skydyr wrote:
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Isn't pushing this way much better for white?



Would you play this?
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Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1)

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Jump before dive, right? That's how it normally works, I believe. But here, I feel there is something to be gained from diving first. Call me crazy. Whatever the case may be, I'm feeling particularly suicidal. My reading isn't very good (obviously), but I feel I have something to be gained.

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this feels like an overplay...


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cut

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idk this looks weird too

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eh let's see what happens.

I'll think up a better 6 or 8.
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This wasn't my original intent, but...why not? I like it.

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this feels like an overplay...
The move seems pretty good to me. At a quick glance, Black would have a hard time running. For instance:
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welp to late to change my mind now.
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I still like it. I feel like this turned out decent enough. I'm considering three moves for the future....Mwahahahaha!

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feeling uneasy.

My goal is to keep the black stones separate.

If I can do that I can hopefully build up enough strength to attack the 2 space extension on the left.

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maybe i should tenuki...


edit:

oops forgot to poke out his tiger mouth. Hmmm.

editedit: well poke is for eyes.

I forgot to defang his tiger mouth.
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Hm... No real comments on this move. :D
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after black 3 I won't be able to very well assault this group...

I think I attacked this group poorly

maybe M16 is only good when J16 doesn't have room for a 2 space extension.

Or I suppose I could have just capped.

Ah well.
Go player's remorse.

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I want to play in these areas.

a will be to try to constrict black and force him to settle at r2. But that probably won't happen. This will probably just end up pushing black into my weak group.

b is a big point Maybe I should extend farther though.

c this needs more preparative moves. As it is now I'll just end up with another weak group.

d A move around here to prevent a shimari. But where is the right spot... since it doesn't seem like much of a moyo framework game I suppose It would be better to make a move that aims to take the corner and give black outside influence.

On second thought I would need to jump out at F13 to prevent black from making a big moyo.
Therefore jumping into the corner might not be a great idea right now. perhaps I should aim to keep his group unsettled.

idk i'll think about it when it comes.
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i feel it is too much to tenuki. this strengthens my connection to f15
now i need to figure out what to do if he cuts. Do I start a huge fight? or do I just settle my group easily with L14
I'll probably start a fight if it comes to it


Also I'm unsure whether this is all too early.
Were the past few moves better played elsewhere on the empty sides of the board?
Are these past few moves really urgent?
The reason I'm unsure is because my group that I'm reinforcing is already strong.

If i had this kind of move on the other side I would be way happier to play it.
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I really feel it's time for a...Image

Although I do habitually tenuki at the wrong time, so I hope this isn't one of those times...And hopefully this is a good place TO tenuki
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