#218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu

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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu

Post by ikkyu »

FYI, I'm going to be out of town until Sunday evening/night. I'll probably be back Monday morning to play more questionable moves.
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu

Post by quietimes »

So, Not exactly what I expected however I can work with this. My guess is black was looking for a dual purpose with the last stone, to gain influence in the left side and top middle. I believe that I can make life in that little four stone group and reduce the black area. Doing this should keep me in sente (certainly enough incentive for black in stopping my reduction. What I need to do is keep up the moves until I can tenuki and build up my bottom right corner. If I can reduce with even with the smalles of two eyes, I think I can swing the balance of the game in my favour.

Having said that, I plan to enbark on H16, guessing he will occupy on the outside
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Then black will like do one of two things, keep up the G line (15) or try to cut under. My guess is Cut under.
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Either way, a convincing argument to respond to my moves. In my mind anyways.


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Safe travels.
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu

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ikkyu wrote:
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As before, this seems the most reasonable move. I've been wanting to reduce/invade the bottom right for some time now. Methinks the time for this draws near. Unless qt connects at M8, this hane seems to create a fair amount of aji.

The bottom right is big - and wide open - but notice that making white play more moves in the centre weakens any invasion you make later on. Also, the top right and bottom left are big too. Why get into a messy invasion when you could just as easily prevent a big reduction? Some quick continuations make the difference in terms of claim on the corner clear:

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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu

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I'd be more tempted to attack the White stones at the top before playing at top right (or anywhere else, for that matter). :b1: should be very strong. It takes away eyespace, protects territory, and keeps the attack going. White would live (most probably), but Black would get to make much territory in the process. Then, Black can invade White's potential territories elsewhere on the board.
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Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu

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The Intrepid wrote:
I'd be more tempted to attack the White stones at the top before playing at top right (or anywhere else, for that matter). :b1: should be very strong. It takes away eyespace, protects territory, and keeps the attack going. White would live (most probably), but Black would get to make much territory in the process. Then, Black can invade White's potential territories elsewhere on the board.
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Completely agree - but I found that 'attacking for profit' was a concept I picked up much later than 'preventing a loss = making a gain'. I was responding to the comment rather than the board. :)
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu

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Just looking at board, such a loose construct. Its definately an all or nothing roll here. Is he going to take it or is he going to invade?
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu

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I thought long and hard about the following

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And ran through a bunch of scenarios which made it look like a good option. But then again, my judgement also got me to this point in the game, so maybe listening to it isn't the best course of action. I've left this area alone for some time because I felt confident that I could kill off this group if quietimes tried to make it live. Now I'm not so certain.
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Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu

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So, this will work if I can figure out an exit strategy to allow me to retain sente. Also, things are going how I planned so I might have mis-read the whole thing.


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
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Thought about a few different responses but decided on a simple response.

Could someone please give me feedback for after the game on this possibility:

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[go]$$Bcm29
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I know the proverb about fishing while your house is on fire, but I'm not sure if this qualifies. Thanks
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[go]$$Bcm29
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 8 . . O . X . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Oops. Thought I had already posted this.

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[go]$$Bcm29
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$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . 9 O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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So in my mind, I think I have walked this out and should be able to get more than I had hoped. Blacks response was the least aggressive of what I thought to come. So, I'm going to play this out as much as I can to a point where I don't have an obvious threat/response move, jump out to the lower right corner. I believe black will try to reduce the new territory which by this point will be fine, as I won't leave until I know I have life. Any reduction efforts by Black will be a low priority distraction to firming up the right lower corner.



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[go]$$Bcm38
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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I could hane again, however I think that will leave a little too much risk for a goal that is already secured. Be conservative and set up some programmed apoptosis.


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[go]$$Bcm39
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm39
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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