3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Wcm130 Move 130 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X 1 X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I have no idea what to play, or even how topazg and Magicwand want to live in the top right...So I'm playing a ko threat. If I get to this kind of situation where I don't know what to play, I'll ask my partners if we can resign. :-?


By the way, my SGF file for this game has two extra moves. Did I add two extra moves somewhere, or are we behind on numbering?
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Wcm130 Move 130 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X B O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Keh... passing things back to Magicwand...

I looked for a bigger ko threat to mess with Magicwand too, but I can't find one.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Wcm131 Move 131 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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To Magicwand:
Do you see a sequence to make the top white group live? Can you show it?
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Aphelion wrote:To Magicwand:
Do you see a sequence to make the top white group live? Can you show it?

to tell you the truth..i didnt read.
i have a feeling that there is something.
let's try to study together....

below variation white lives. i read this much.. but is there's any other way???
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move 131 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 W 3 4 O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X 6 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i dont think this is possible to kill white..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move 131 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . W . . O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


at least i dont see a way to kill my group.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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Magicwand wrote:In the variation below, White lives. I read this much, but is there another way?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 W 3 4 O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X 6 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Rubbish. First of all, Black would obviously capture with :b5:, but :b3: is also bad:


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 W . . O 2 3 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 W . 4 O 2 3 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X 6 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not sure, but this way looks a bit scary for black.
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[go]$$Bcm133 Move 133 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think white should die. It's impossible to say what will happen in this game, though...

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[go]$$Bcm133 Move 133 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . 6 O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X 2 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm133 Move 133 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O 8 7 O 2 3 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X 4 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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I think I understand now.
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[go]$$Wcm134 This cuts
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 2 3 O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X 5 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Post by Harleqin »

topazg wrote:Threatening to live if Black tenukis.

"Atari. Threatening to capture if Black tenukis."

The first rule of Go: Each player can play one stone on his move, then it is his opponent's turn.

Corollary: Playing a move that has only a single threat does not gain anything, as the opponent can simply answer that threat. You can never hope to get two moves in a row.
A good system naturally covers all corner cases without further effort.
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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For interested observers, I guess this is where we're going:

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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 2 3 O 1 8 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X 5 X 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 X 9 X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm144 Move 144 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X O X X . 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X 2 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O 3 |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Post by daniel_the_smith »

Will Jordus find the killing move? I think topazg probably knows it's dead and is counting on a) Jordus missing the hane and b) Phelan making a forcing move to prevent Violence from doing anything useful so that c) Magicwand can punish Jordus' presumed mistake. Let's hope Jordus surprises him! It's bad news for us if they start playing the schedule like that, as I think it favors them heavily.

(It's also possible I misread, but I don't think I did...)
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

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[go]$$Bcm135 Move 135 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O X X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X O X O X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . X . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . X . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . . . X X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . X . . . O X O O . X . . |
$$ | . O X O O X . X O . . . O X O . O X . |
$$ | . O X O . O O O X O X X X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X O . . O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X . O X O . X . . . X O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1

Post by Phelan »

Sorry, I won't be able to make a move today. Probably tomorrow, at the latest on monday.
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