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by cobrahc Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:10 pm
Funny story... I was checking the Monday
BenGoZen of this week and a similar situation happened (on the top right).
Its something for me to try later and see how it goes.
I will also see how to follow up after `a`.
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by siowy Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:20 pm
$$c Move 25
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by cobrahc Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:43 am
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This is a vital point for black to separate the 2 groups.
I tried different variations first and it didnt work so well. For the record, I tried `a` to `d`.
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by siowy Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:06 pm
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$$Wc The UR corner
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc The UR cornerThis is my reading of the upper right corner. He can live there in gote any time, unless I reinforce. That's fine for me. He would get at most 5 points, and I'd lose ~15 points, but it's gote and it would also make my stones stronger.
I'm only considering the upper right corner now because his outside group is so weak that it's "as good as dead", so the strengthening of my outside stones wouldn't be that much help for me.
$$Wc other considerations
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pre-emptively, which would help the LR moyo too. So I decide on that.
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by cobrahc Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:35 am
$$c Move 28
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by siowy Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:24 pm
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by cobrahc Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:58 am
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by siowy Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:13 am
$$c Move 31
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by cobrahc Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:15 am
$$c Move 32
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by siowy Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:25 am
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I'd like to take sente to hane at x.
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by cobrahc Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:35 am
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Later I will have to try and reduce this huge area that 'im giving' to black. :~
After the bottom/right is settled... Where should I play afterwards if I keep sente?
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by skydyr Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:19 am
cobrahc wrote: Is he going to follow the joseki? I want to close this in sente.
After a point, it's not a question of _the_ joseki so much as _which_ joseki, which is predicated on what black wants out of the situation. There are different josekis to choose from depending on what is more important to you: Direction, thickness, territory, follow-ups, sente, etc.
In this case, the joseki everyone learns first (
http://senseis.xmp.net/?44Point33InvasionJoseki#toc3 ) seems fine, as black is happy to turn his moyo mostly into territory, and I'm not sure what white would do that's so big with sente. Black may be able to try to take sente without much loss because of the left side stone, but this does complicate the bottom a bit.
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by siowy Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:43 am
I took a short trip overseas. Sorry for not notifying you beforehand.
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by cobrahc Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:23 am
Hi siowy, no problem about that. I hope you enjoyed your trip.
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This really look bad for me. For some reason I though I would keep sente after the 3x3 invasion.
What is he going to do next?
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by siowy Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:50 pm
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pre-emptively, which would help the LR moyo too. So I decide on that.