57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

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Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 1 . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yeah, he successfully led the game into one of my weak areas. That said, I'm sure I'll learn from this fight, even if I lose it. I considered the double-hane, but decided that there wasn't sufficient reason to stretch myself that thinly. I can play solidly, hane when I can, and help MHO build cutting points. At least, that's the plan. Man, this is a fun game. Lately, my games on KGS have been lacking something that this game has.
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Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

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In response to Chew and regarding the bottom right corner:

I believe the pincer you played is not good in that situation. However, tenukiing the contact play is far, far worse. The correct continuation is to play the cross-cut:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . 6 2 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ignoring a contact play is a huge huge loss. However, I do not know if fwiffo's clamp is good or not. My personal preference would be to hane on the 4-4 point instead, or even just nobi to the 3-4 point.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . 1 a . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . . 2 . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I went to bed with too many go ideas rushing through my mind, which meant I got very little sleep. Of course, in my mind, everything is all distorted and weird.

Image
Fwiffo's mind: "Turn off ALL garbage compactors on the detention level!"

Ahem. Anyhow, I'm not just sprinkling stones about randomly here. Or, at least, I hope not. I'm taking care to:
a) Stay light. Make connections loose enough that I can easily sacrifice some of the stones to help others.
b) Try to take advantage of any aji in black's position
c) Try to map out some kind of shape to aid in running/living

Now that I look at it, I think I've overplayed with that L16 stone. Maybe a shoulder hit is better. Now I feel a bit of a pinch.
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Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

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It's a sequence you might not want to look at (5 more moves), but it's not that uber and it may be horribly flawed. I just hate respond to peeps like that (too much, often connecting is better):

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O 7 . 5 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . 6 2 4 X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And this one you almost definitely don't want to look at unless you want a spoiler:

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . 2 . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . a O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Big, no? "a" and "b" both work for Black.
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . . O 3 X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I almost played an attachment to his stone. But I think that's making things more complicated than they need to be. I think that the crosscut that would provide could be a boon to him, so I'd rather deny it. Still feeling pretty okay about this situation.


Edit: Okay topazg, just let us know when we can read them =)
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The top one is definitely viewable now, the bottom one is my analysis of the lower right corner. So you can if you want, but really should agree it between yourselves that you can both look first I think, or you can leave it until the lower right has played out a bit further :)
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topazg:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O 7 . 5 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . 6 2 4 X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 8 . 3 . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Followed by something like this, with a chase that nets me territory on both sides but probably lets white run to safety? Yeah, I guess that would probably be safe, and fine. I think I kind of turned on my 'Play thick and safe, and weather the storm' mode. I'm curious to compare this diagram with whatever happens over the next ten or so moves.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems OK, though it's a thin string of stones, which is usually not the best. If he tries to cut or peep, I will dodge by sacrifice. For instance:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 2 . W . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |[/go]

I haven't read very thoroughly - I didn't get much sleep - but the previous several moves means that my group is harder to cut even though it's still light. He can spend moves to capture a stone here and there, but I get out with the rest.
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . 5 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Part of me is a little hesitant to play this, but the logical bits like it. It takes away any hope of eye he has here, and is firmly connected to one group of my stones or another. It also mostly captures some of the ones above, making some of my territory solid. It leaves him with a string of one-space jumps deep within my framework. In essence, I'm playing this move because it starts taking points while continuing the attack.
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . X 6 . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

OK, I'm really on tilt right now. All my turn-based games are going badly, and so is this one. I need to get back to basics.

Often when I'm anxious to get stronger I start trying to do too much and make things too complicated. And that's what I'm doing here, and that's what I've been doing in my other games. Sometimes it's a sign that I'm trying to integrate new knowledge, and I have to get a little weaker before I can get stronger.

Other times it just means I haven't gotten enough sleep. I think that's more likely here.

Anyhow, getting back to basics. Connect against a peep. Basic. And hey, look how strong my stones get.
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Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . 7 O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move is pretty much forced. Well, not really, but it's the reason I played the prior move. It makes a bunch of points and keeps MHO's group on the run. His group will probably run west. I'll chase it from above and below as far as I can, button up my points on top, and hopefully build enough wall to do some things down south.


Fwiffo: If you're feeling a bit out of it or on tilt, perhaps consider giving a teaching game to a beginner. I've found it's a go-related way to relax and build confidence. Or just sleep on it. =D
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Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 8 . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm playing on no sleep again, but hey, it's just a game. My biggest barrier to improvement has been not playing enough. So I'm not going to make excuses to not play.

With this move I'm trying to force black to capture those loose stones on the inside to get breathing room on the outside. Then I'll lean on the right side stones a little bit before deciding what's next.

I'm fairly certain black can't immediately push and cut at O13; he's going to have a liberties issue.

The D3 (or D2) is big because it threatens a stronger invasion of that bottom side black group making it almost sente. I think it's probably premature for black to take that 3-3, however. I'd seal black in and take the outside, which would devastate the value of those two black stones.

F11 is big too, and there may still be opportunities to reduce that middle some more.

The upper left 3-3 is less important. It would be gote for black to invade and it would settle my fourth line territory on the left side. It's basically big endgame.

Actually analyzing the position, I'm much less pessimistic than I was. I actually think the game is about even, though black maybe has more opportunities for reducing. Out of curiosity, I check in with Score Esteban, and he also thinks it's close.
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Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X 9 . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 8 . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That was an interesting forcing move that I didn't really expect. I'll take my cash now, and worry about my right group later. It looks like he's going to try to cut at P17. Still looking at responses, but even if he cuts, I'd rather kill those stones than let them out. Even if he got the cut, his group is weaker than my side group. <-- Famous last words.
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Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Yes, the cut at P17 is part of the shortage of liberties issue I was talking about. I'm not 100% sure it immediately would have worked if he tried to push and cut, but it was dangerous. Black's last move is what I expected and mostly cleans up his aji there. I'm going to lean a little bit more before deciding if I need to take gote to secure this group.
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is the best way for me to cover. It feels like I have an acceptable answer to everything he could play from here. I am willing to sacrifice this stone if needed, to connect and maybe even start an attack. I think Fwiffo can make an eye in gote in the area if he chooses, but that would let me find the biggest area of the board and start sente-ing.
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