#259 - DJLLAP vs. schawipp

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Re: #259 - DJLLAP vs. schawipp

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


If you disagree with :w72: please post something else...

It's most probably sente. The question is whether it is "good sente" or "bad sente". I think it is not completely bad - white settles his corner (~25 points; I could reduce it to ~20 by playing D18 but it seems gote) while I strengthen my left side group. In the following I am not completely sure, yet. Trying to cut at O14 seems bad since white has P16. I could play P14 in sente instead in order to make my upper right side more likely to become real territory, but it feels sort of boring. Another possibility is to play atari at tengen (where white omitted the cross-cut) and see if I can create some trouble with cutting points (Mental note: I should not be lazy and read this further before playing ;-) ).
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Re: #259 - DJLLAP vs. schawipp

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]



The atari leaves a nasty squeeze, and this seems to capture the stones just as tidily. So with three large corners and what looks like a living group in the center, this game is looking pretty good.
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Re: #259 - DJLLAP vs. schawipp

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . 7 . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Seems almost sente(?), reduces potential white center points and seems to fit with my left group, so why not?
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O 8 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . 7 . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O 8 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 9 7 . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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Sorry for my long absence.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O O O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X . . . 0 X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]



I think I should be OK in this fight.

This is the simplest response and looks pretty good for white. It seems definites that I would be able to make an eye on top or on bottom.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm0 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . X . . . 4 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O O O . . 3 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X . . 2 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]



This one looks complicated, but any serious resistance opens up some holes in the right hand side, so I think it is workable.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm0 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . X . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X O O O . 1 2 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . , . . X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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