Who's playing in Tygem? -- It was AlphaGo!!

dankenzon · Post by **dankenzon** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:33 am

Look what Ali Jabarin (1p, Europe) just reported a few minutes ago in his facebook

"6 pm pairing draw for Limin cup tomorrow morning, 5:58 I'm glued to Tygem watching some mysterious account beat Park Junghwan (again) after just beating Ke Jie twice in a row, oops late for the ceremony, meet ke jie who is also late from watching the game on the way to the ceremony and he is a bit shocked.. just repeating "it's too strong".
Dunno whether it's alphago or not but it's definitely some strong computer with 20-0(and counting) score against top pros, go check out Master(P) on Tygem."

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:02 pm

There is an article dedicated to this in Chinese language
http://www.eweiqi.com/portal.php?mod=view&aid=27777

jorden · Post by **jorden** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:54 pm

An unknown, new AI is crushing pro's on Tygem by the dozen. This post could use a more sensationalist title! Some words in caps at least

yoyoma · Post by **yoyoma** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:12 pm

Another secret/rumored AI? First AlphaGo, then the Chinese rumored one, and now this Master(P) account. If it's going to play public games on Tygem why not announce your program and get some publicity from it?

BTW looks like DeepZenGo is also playing on Tygem as "DEEPZEN", currently 56-5.

Also if you go on Tygem and do "Search User" you have to include the "(P)": "Master(P)"

dfan · Post by **dfan** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:20 pm

There's a reddit thread about it here, including a link to 20 of its games. I skimmed through a few and they looked crazy. I am reminded of people wondering how AlphaGo would play if it were trained from scratch, knowing nothing, rather than seeded by trying to imitate strong human play.

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:46 pm

Quick question - anyone has a link to the original FB post?

Edit: I found this https://vk.com/club37731763 - can anyone confirm authenticity?

Phelan · Post by **Phelan** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:32 am

The Ali Jabarin post is here, illuck: https://www.facebook.com/avtikh/posts/10154901593134628
It's not public, though, it's Friends Only, so you might need to add Ali Jabarin to see it.

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:42 am

Many thanks! Oops, I probably shouldn't have shared this with Baidu Tieba - didn't realize it wasn't public. Though can't imagine Ke Jie having issue with it.

RobertJasiek · Post by **RobertJasiek** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:50 am

Having looked through the 20 games, only 4 or 5 human opponents played like strong pros should play. The other humans made too big mistakes that can have been caused by too short time limits on servers. The bot's play looks like a human with broad knowledge and flexible strategy, with the exception of typical bot virtual ko threats in territory near the end. No bot moves surprise me but I am impressed by the bot's broad "knowledge" regardless of the (non-arcane) position.

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:07 am

Currently the candidate assumption is that it is another DeepMind's bot that is 100% self-trained, linking in the event in which AlphaGo receive Honorary 9 Dan from KBA hence the (P) in Master(P) and the South Korea flag. I doubt about this, are they allow to use professional status to other non-AlphaGo bot? Or they secretly get qualified/certified by KBA? And DeepMind even work on Holiday? I understand that in last year they didn't rest to prepare for Lee Sedol match but this year too?
Other assumption including it's Chinese AI since there's strong rumor surrounding and supporting this, but the only problem is that Master(P) has the South Korea flag.
Or maybe it's simply the South Korean inhouse bot, they pour a lot of money in AI industry after AlphaGo match so this might be a fruitful result.

I'll raise even more question, do you think is this the same account as GodMoves in KGS which beat Zen comfortably 2-0 even when blitzing?

splee99 · Post by **splee99** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:46 am

I couldn't imagine a Chinese bot having Korean flag. So it must be a Korean bot under testing.

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:32 am

Can anyone confirm if this is Chinese language?

South Korean flag pro account that can speak Chinese, I think I sense Aja Huang is behind this monster's wheel.

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:56 pm

pookpooi wrote:Can anyone confirm if this is Chinese language?

South Korean flag pro account that can speak Chinese, I think I sense Aja Huang is behind this monster's wheel.

It is Chinese, but that's a stock Tygem system chat message (which is translated into the language of the observer client), so unfortunately does not reveal much.

splee99 · Post by **splee99** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:21 pm

This is even weirder. Today Master(p) entered the room where DEEPZEN was playing and watched the game.

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:54 pm

Master(P) makes news again, and I always love Chinese exaggerating headline about go

like this one

http://sports.qq.com/a/20170101/007687.htm

Human Go completely wrong?

follow by a comment by Ke Jie

"even thousands of years, no one touches the edge of the truth of Go yet"

"the computer tells us that all human beings are wrong, I do not think even a person touches the edge of the truth of Go."

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