It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:42 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 25 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Re: how much is a stone worth?
Post #21 Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 7:56 am 
Gosei

Posts: 1625
Liked others: 542
Was liked: 450
Rank: senior player
GD Posts: 1000
As for the OP question, can we estimate the value of handicap stones using change in reverse komi? There have been experiments in which rather than giving the weaker player handicap stone, instead Black receives a reverse komi. For example, if we know the proper reverse komi for Black instead of placing two stones we could understand the value of thesecond handicap stone.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: how much is a stone worth?
Post #22 Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 8:01 am 
Oza

Posts: 3647
Liked others: 20
Was liked: 4626
Quote:
In the opening I have estimated positions in terms of stones (moves) and half stones for ages. I think I have seen Uberdude do the same, BTW.


Bill: To clarity: Yoda was doing this about two-thirds of the way through the game.


This post by John Fairbairn was liked by: Bill Spight
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: how much is a stone worth?
Post #23 Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:58 am 
Honinbo

Posts: 10905
Liked others: 3651
Was liked: 3374
John Fairbairn wrote:
Quote:
In the opening I have estimated positions in terms of stones (moves) and half stones for ages. I think I have seen Uberdude do the same, BTW.


Bill: To clarity: Yoda was doing this about two-thirds of the way through the game.


So did he mean around 7 pts., or something else? {shrug}

_________________
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins

Visualize whirled peas.

Everything with love. Stay safe.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: how much is a stone worth?
Post #24 Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:11 am 
Honinbo

Posts: 10905
Liked others: 3651
Was liked: 3374
gowan wrote:
As for the OP question, can we estimate the value of handicap stones using change in reverse komi? There have been experiments in which rather than giving the weaker player handicap stone, instead Black receives a reverse komi. For example, if we know the proper reverse komi for Black instead of placing two stones we could understand the value of the second handicap stone.


OC, we have to qualify that for the strengths of the players. I once gave a handicap of 40 stones, and the game was fairly close. IIRC, I won by 10 pts. But I could never give a reverse komi of 400 pts. ;) The value of the second handicap stone might be about 14 pts. for a pro, about 12 pts. for an amateur shodan, and about 10 pts. for a 10 kyu., to make a guess. :)

_________________
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins

Visualize whirled peas.

Everything with love. Stay safe.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: how much is a stone worth?
Post #25 Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 5:16 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 392
Liked others: 23
Was liked: 43
Rank: NR
objection! Your Honour, i am neither Original nor a Poster-child for any sect with its own definition of komi, which the great Lord who knows all has decided to be 10, not 7, and most certainly not a fraction of a bit because there's no such thing - and anyone so overlordly as to offer 40 stones deserves to be given 40 lashes and have to spend 40 days and 40 nights in the desert and be burned at the stake for impudence and forfeit the game henceforth and thereafter for ever more shall be, amen.

i challenge you, mighty Billy, to a game in which you will receive a handicap of 360 stones whether you like it or not, and see how that feels...

PS Alfie may be a Bonny Prince, but Myungwan is the rightful heir to the throne of Sage, and what mr K (or was it Tuamoto, can't remember atoll now, and Big Brother wont let me scroll back to check) says he says about sente is, which i also heard him say somewhere else, like everything he says about anything, spot on, including in the fuseki, which is why it's going into Swim, although, having since looked at that video, she will paraphrase Andrew's explanation as: "the difference between playing there and not playing there" without waving her hands in the air :)

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 25 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group