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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Post #101 Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:36 am 
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pookpooi wrote:
I'm totally lost when it came to Japanese titles, but if Iyama Yuta win this he'll resume his seven crowns reign right?

Yes, he holds the other 6 currently. He has the Oza and Tengen title matches in October - December this year, both against Ichiriki Ryo, but he can't lose those until late November and this Meijin match will be over by early November at the latest.

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Offline dsatkas
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Post #102 Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:42 am 
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is b dead in the final position?
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Offline Drew
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Post #103 Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:59 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
pookpooi wrote:
I'm totally lost when it came to Japanese titles, but if Iyama Yuta win this he'll resume his seven crowns reign right?

Yes, he holds the other 6 currently. He has the Oza and Tengen title matches in October - December this year, both against Ichiriki Ryo, but he can't lose those until late November and this Meijin match will be over by early November at the latest.


Outside of the generous contributions to 19x19 by yourself and others, what's the best English-language avenue to keep up with Japanese professional go these days?
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Offline dfan
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Post #104 Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:23 am 
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Drew wrote:
Outside of the generous contributions to 19x19 by yourself and others, what's the best English-language avenue to keep up with Japanese professional go these days?

The AGA E-Journal has some high-level news (search for "Power Report"), though you'll have to sift through the American news to get to it.

If you want it as email, there are instructions for subscribing here.
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Offline jeromie
 Post subject: Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Post #105 Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:04 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
If Takao wanted to play in that area of the board, was there a better move? Something like 3-3 itself means Iyama couldn't get those forcing moves but is very slack for points so maybe he'd just gently reduce and win.

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When the game got to this position, I felt like the knight's move at P18 was preventing Iyama from making shape on the side by threatening to cut at Q15 (after some preparation with his N12 group). Is that something that may have come up of Takao played directly on the 3-3?
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Offline oren
 Post subject: Re: Following Iyama Yuta (no world ranking discussions)
Post #106 Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:53 pm 
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Pictures of the event...

http://www.asahi.com/special/timeline/4 ... ref=pr_igo

Personally I find the important thing to know is what they're eating.

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Offline Uberdude
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Post #107 Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:19 am 
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Iyama, playing as the Japanese NHK cup winner, lost to Lee Sedol (Korean KBS Cup winner) in the 1st round of the Asian TV cup. NHK runner-up Ichiriki Ryo did beat the surprise (beat Ke Jie in semi-final shortly after winning EGC) Chinese CCTV cup winner Zhang Tao though.

P.S. oren, in some of those pictures there are coloured percentages above the board. Are these predicted win rates from a bot like Zen, viewer voting/betting, or something else?
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Offline John Fairbairn
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Post #108 Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:16 am 
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The figures relate to the positional evaluation by a program called 棋神 (programmer Iguchi, company Heroz) but the programmer said that while it's a probability of who's ahead the program is weak in assessing whether stones are dead alive, so I'd assume it's probably wisest to ignore these figures. I think this company is already well established in using shogi and chess software for podcasts, and I'm guessing they are just moving into the go world.

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Offline Uberdude
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Post #109 Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:16 am 
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Iyama beat Takao in game 3 of the Meijin title match. Takao won a big early ko, and Iyama's threat didn't kill a group but he got very thick and after 2 more fights he managed to surround a big enough centre to win.
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Offline oren
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Post #110 Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:17 pm 
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Asahi published a couple videos with Cho U going over the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE7K5BeeVqw
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Offline Uberdude
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Post #111 Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:33 pm 
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Iyama had a big fight and lost against Korean wonderkid Shin Jinseo in the Samsung cup round of 16.
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Offline kimidori
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Post #112 Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:51 am 
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I think Shin outread him, after the push and the net in the middle, B doesn't really have an option to get out, nor to fight the semeai. So sad to see Iyama losing like this, usually his calculation power seems to be one of his strengths.
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Offline Uberdude
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Post #113 Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:55 am 
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Indeed, Shin played very strongly and without fear. I really liked that attachment from him on the left group that gave Iyama a stupid-looking empty triangle. Diana Koszegi is currently live streaming on facebook a review from him and An Sungjoon, looking at the Ke Jie 3-3 big joseki fight. Now onto Shin-Iyama, looking at an alternative fuseki:
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Offline Uberdude
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Post #114 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:08 am 
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Iyama out-fought Takao to win the 4th game of the Meijin title match. After losing the first game he's now just one win away from regaining his septuple crown.

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Post #115 Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:31 pm 
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When is the next game? I've to some how watch it live this time...
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Offline Uberdude
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Post #116 Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:24 am 
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16th and 17th October, according to https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/jp/meijin/
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Offline oren
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Post #117 Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:36 am 
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pookpooi wrote:
When is the next game? I've to some how watch it live this time...


Nicovideo has video coverage with some live commentary of the entire game.
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Post #118 Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:21 pm 
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The real fun starts next week with the beginning of a potential 10-game match between Iyama and Ichiriki...
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Date                          Game            City       Prefecture
Wednesday, October 11, 2017   Tengen game 1   Toyota     Aichi
Friday, October 20, 2017      Oza game 1      Yokohama   Kanagawa
Friday, October 27, 2017      Tengen game 2   Sapporo    Hokkaido
Saturday, November 18, 2017   Oza game 2      Kobe       Hyogo
Monday, November 20, 2017     Oza game 3      Kobe       Hyogo
Friday, November 24, 2017     Tengen game 3   Munakata   Fukuoka
Friday, December 01, 2017     Oza game 4      Sendai     Miyage
Monday, December 11, 2017     Tengen game 4   Sumoto     Hyogo
Friday, December 15, 2017     Oza game 5      Uonuma     Nigata
Wednesday, December 20, 2017  Tengen game 5   Tokushima  Tokushima


The information is all from Go News.

Edit: I had an error in the dates of the first two games in the list (unfortunately quoted below!) :sad:

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Offline alphaville
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Post #119 Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:49 pm 
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Let's view his as a jubango, whether the players agree with it or not.

ez4u wrote:
The real fun starts next week with the beginning of a potential 10-game match between Iyama and Ichiriki...
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Date                          Game            City       Prefecture
Tuesday, October 10, 2017     Oza game 1      Yokohama   Kanagawa
Friday, October 20, 2017      Tengen game 1   Toyota     Aichi
Friday, October 27, 2017      Tengen game 2   Sapporo    Hokkaido
Saturday, November 18, 2017   Oza game 2      Kobe       Hyogo
Monday, November 20, 2017     Oza game 3      Kobe       Hyogo
Friday, November 24, 2017     Tengen game 3   Munakata   Fukuoka
Friday, December 01, 2017     Oza game 4      Sendai     Miyage
Monday, December 11, 2017     Tengen game 4   Sumoto     Hyogo
Friday, December 15, 2017     Oza game 5      Uonuma     Nigata
Wednesday, December 20, 2017  Tengen game 5   Tokushima  Tokushima


The information is all from Go News.

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Offline Uberdude
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Post #120 Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:21 am 
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Oza game 1 vs Ichiriki is underway. Iyama played an AlphaGo style 3-3 on move 5 which I don't recall seeing him do before. It was a diagonal game though so less chance for a moyo from the resulting wall.

Iyama won by resign.
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