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Offline Hane
 Post subject: Golaxy vs Top Players 30 Handicap Games
Post #1 Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 7:28 am 
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Starting from May 2, Golaxy played 30 games as white with no komi against top pros and one amateur,
Golaxy won all of them ! Game records are attached.

About Golaxy :

- Aggressive playing style

- Plays on all board sizes and all komi settings

- Predicts winrate and score difference

- Adjusts thinking time automatically


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Offline EdLee
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Post #2 Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 9:06 am 
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Golaxy played 30 games as white with no komi against top pros and one amateur,
Golaxy won all of them !
This suggests 1 stone is not enough; they should try 2 or 3 stones against the top humans.
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Offline WindCaliber
 Post subject: Re: Golaxy vs Top Players 30 Handicap Games
Post #3 Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:56 pm 
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That's not so surprising though, right?

FineArt was already giving 2 stone + 0.5 komi, or 1.5 rank handicaps to pros a few months ago. Golaxy is presumably much stronger than FineArt was then, so it's not surprising that Golaxy won every game with a 0.5 komi, or 1/2 rank handicap.

I personally would like to see a 2 rank handicap, 2 stone + 7.5 reverse komi or 3 stone + 7.5 komi. I think top humans would have a good chance to play evenly then.
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Offline Hane
 Post subject: Re: Golaxy vs Top Players 30 Handicap Games
Post #4 Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 6:03 pm 
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What surprise me is the playing style of Golaxy which makes the games more interesting and exciting to see than any other AI !
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Offline EdLee
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Post #5 Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:44 pm 
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WindCaliber, not at all, I've been saying 3-stones for over 2 years.
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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: Golaxy vs Top Players 30 Handicap Games
Post #6 Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 7:59 am 
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Xie Ke 5p just beat Golaxy, well done him! He had a step ko in endgame to kill a group (but still kinda complicated when it resigned, I suppose he loses ko and gets enough compensation).

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Offline Bohdan
 Post subject: Re: Golaxy vs Top Players 30 Handicap Games
Post #7 Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:19 am 
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I knew it! Humans still can beat bests bots. And they played only 20 min main time. Well done!

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Offline macelee
 Post subject: Re: Golaxy vs Top Players 30 Handicap Games
Post #8 Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:05 am 
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I definitely did not expect this. I've watched most of the games in this series. Very strong AI that never once seems to fall behind.


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Offline WindCaliber
 Post subject: Re: Golaxy vs Top Players 30 Handicap Games
Post #9 Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 5:42 pm 
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That's incredible for Xie Ke!

:b23: is an interesting move. Maybe a big moyo strategy is the way to go against a Golaxy's territorial(?) style, although clearly that hasn't been working so far.

Did Golaxy misread the life and death of the lower group—surely it could've avoided that situation? And is Black ahead by more than komi at the end of the game? That would be interesting, although we wouldn't be able to conclude that he could have won an even game since the handicap probably altered Golaxy's moves.
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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: Golaxy vs Top Players 30 Handicap Games
Post #10 Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:34 am 
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Not sure if it's exactly the same spot, but :b23: is at least similar to one of AlphaGo's innovations.

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