Jika wrote:
Hi,
I'm stalking Needo's study journal a bit.
While he is a much better player, I like the questions there.
I've read the discussion on tsumego, and how (that) one is expected to think them through first (makes sense for a real game, but - hey, that's how I play games, make a move that looks good and see what happens (disaster)).
Bill mentioned a difference between "reading" and "visualizing" the moves/tree.
I don't get that, how can you think moves ahead (I thought that was "reading")
That's calculation of variations. Reading is a more advanced skill, or group of skills. You have to be able to identify good candidate moves and to evaluate the results.
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without visualizing where the stones go??
Not to worry about. It sounds like you are good at visualization. dfan and I are not. That does not prevent us from reading go positions.
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(I also talk to myself "Now white goes here, then black goes there..." which would be unwise and unnerving in an offline game situation...)
Self talk can aid learning.
As for verbalizing, I used to play against a 2 dan who, when reading, would nod his head and say, "Koh, koh, koh," etc. (I.e. Here, here, here). It was not at all annoying for him to do that, at least, on his own turn.
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I was able to see what was the vital point in Bill's exercise diagram, but was not able to see without a board how things would go further if black takes the 2-2 (embarrassing, yes).
You are talking about the 2x3 corner position I posted? If so, are you sure that you saw the vital point? And at your level it is not at all embarrassing not to see further. Later you will see much further.
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I have taken the wrong approach to tsumego obviously (using the same app as Needo, I'm revisiting the same 50 basic tsumego over and over, in the hope I'll be able to solve more of them, not because I have learnt them by heart or think ahead, but by starting at the right point intuitively).
It takes time and experience to develop your intuition.
Poco a poco.