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Post #241 Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:05 am 
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She has 25 wins


I don't know where you're getting this figure from, but the Nihon Ki-in figure as of 20 November was 18. I don't think she's played 7 official games since, let alone won 7.

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Mamumamu's site has her at 22-20, including international games, as of the end of November. But we don't know exactly what games are counted there either! :blackeye:

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John Fairbairn wrote:
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She has 25 wins


I don't know where you're getting this figure from, but the Nihon Ki-in figure as of 20 November was 18. I don't think she's played 7 official games since, let alone won 7.


I got it from this post you made on Nov 20:
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With this game, which featured a 52-year age difference and a slightly embarrassing 10.5 points winning margin, Sumire reached (according to the Mainichi Shinbun) 25 wins in her quest to reach 2-dan (i.e. 5 games to go). Her next opponent there is Iwamaru Taira.


Can you give me the link for the Nihon Ki-in information on number of wins?

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I made a point of quoting the Mainichi because I was sceptical. But I'm also unsure about the Nihon Ki-in figures because they do include wins in women's and youth tournaments.

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Can you give me the link for the Nihon Ki-in information on number of wins?


I'm one of the old generation. I read newspapers, magazines and books. The "link" is in e.g. Go World.

It's many years since I looked into the details of the promotion system, and it may have changed, but as I recall 1-dans get to 2-dan by winning 30 games. However, if no player gets thus promoted in that year, up to two players can get promoted by topping the prize money rankings for that grade. Since, by my reckoning no-one has any chance of getting 30 wins this year, and both Sumire and Terada have far more wins than anyone else. I therefore expect one or both to get promoted on prize-money terms on or around 1 January. Fukuoka Kotaro may be the fly in the ointment there because he's been active in the Chinese League B Division and did reasonably well. That may have bumped his earnings up enough. But, again, does prize money outside official NK events count?

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I decided to do a bit of online digging, which got me nowhere except for a statement that in 2019 Sumire's promotion-counting games record was 11-4. Since the Nihon Ki-in gave her official record for that year as 17-7 (i.e. including women's events etc) and the NK record for this year (2020) so far is 18-15, we can perhaps guess that her total wins for promotion in 2020 is about 12 or 13.

I tried going through the NK published monthly records but they are defective (no doubt CV played its part). My guess is that the Go World figures are compiled by the magazine and the figures that really count are compiled in the NK back office. But FWIW, I cam up with a total of 22 wins over the two years, with the possibility that a missing Ryusei game that I have and GW doesn't would make 23.

During the early part of this year she averaged about 5 or 6 games a month. So if she scores her usual 50% plus, she'll be 2-dan sometime in the first quarter of 2021 unless the prize-money rules supervene.

(A reminder that I listed the events that count for promotion in an earlier post in this thread.)

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Post #245 Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:48 am 
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Here are the promotion rules: https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/rank.html. https://senseis.xmp.net/?NihonKiInNewPromotionSystem has promotion rules too, but it seems inaccurate. It is inaccurate because: 1) they did not list all the tournaments in which wins count (no mention of international tournaments) and 2) they incorrectly state prize money promotion is based on 12 tournaments, when in fact only 7 count. (It seems odd that they didn't use the prize money from all the tournaments in which the wins count).

It looks the wins count only if they are in mixed tournaments open for everybody. So Women-only and NHK don't count. Also, the Chinese league games don't count either, but other international tournaments like Globis Cup do.

I believe the promotion by prize money is made regardless of whether anybody is promoted by wins that year. Also, the prize money promotion is only for the results from top 7 Japanese tournaments. So there should be two new 2 dan this year based on prize money. We'll have to wait another week or to see which ones get the promotion this year.

I reckon it is more likely the 18 wins toward promotion is more accurate, so I will revert to that.

They announced the brackets for Senko 6 women only tournament. She starts in 2nd round of qualifying. See West 4 of https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/senko/006.html.
I believe her opponent in Women Meijin 32 will be Akkiko Tsukuda 5p (佃 亜紀子).

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Post #246 Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:04 am 
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John Fairbairn wrote:
Sumire [...] listed her rivals.
1. Fukuoka Kotaro-kun, who turns 15 next week and is trailing Sumire in the race to 2-dan. She is now on 18-15 (the target is 30 wins) and she is well ahead of everyone else except Terada Shuta who is on 18-10. But Terada is 23 and twice as old as Sumire, so it's understandable she didn't put him in her list.

She was right to keep an eye on Fukuoka Kotaro. Terada Shuta (23) and Fukuoka Kotaro (15) were promoted to 2 dan using the prize money rule on Jan 8, 2021. So she has some catching up to do (but she is right behind them). I reckon she gets to 3p before these two.

Here are her January 2021 games:
    [1] defeated Akiko Tsukuda 5p (佃 亜紀子, 2741) on Jan 7, 2021 in Female Meijin 32 prelims
    [2] Lost on Jan 7 to Asami Ueno 4p in final prelim game of Female Meijin 32 prelims

Here is a summary of all her tournaments (she is out of tournaments with black names). She is still active in tournaments with red names. I decided to flip the convention since one's attention is drawn to colored text:

Majors tournaments (eligible for prize money rule and promotion by wins):
  • Kisei 46 - She went straight into 2nd round of qualifying, where she will play Ha Youngil (河 英一六段 - 6p, 35 years old, rating 3040, #530). See West block 3 in https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/kisei/046.html.
  • Meijin 46 - eliminated Mar 5, 2020. Meijin 47 should have started in Dec 2020. I think it's delayed because they are still playing the Meijin 46 league
  • Honimbo 77 - eliminated on Dec 3, 2020. Honimbo 78 should start around Oct 2021?.
  • Oza 69 - eliminated in Oct 2020. Oza 70 should start in March 2021
  • Tengen 47 - eliminated Apr 2, 2020. Tengen 48 should start in Apr 2021
  • Gosei 46 - eliminated Mar 26, 2020 by Muramoto Wataru 2p. Gosei 47 should start in Jan 2021
  • Judan 60 - Will play against Masaki Minematsu(峯松 正樹 - 6p) in first round of qualifying C. See Kansai 8 https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/jyudan/060.html

Mixed tournaments counting towards promotion by wins:
  • Ago/Kiryama 27 - eliminated on Feb 24, 2020 by Sakaguci?. Kiryama 28 - should start in Feb 2021
  • Ryusei 30 - Defeated Araki Issei 4P on June 29, 2020 in final of prelim B. Lost to Nakano Shoya 1p in Prelim A. Ryusei 31 should start in April-Jun 2021?
  • Hiroshima 15 (Young Carp). Eliminated in Nov 2020. Hiroshima 16 should start Sept 2021.
  • Okage (Thanks Cup) 11 - eliminated on Apr 6, 2020 by Xie Yimmin. Okage 12 should start in March 2021
  • SGW Nakajima 3 - did not participate? SGW 4 should start in Aug 2021
  • Globis Cup 8 should start Jan 2021

Women-only or other tournaments not counting for promotion:
  • Shinjin (King of New Stars) 46 - eliminated in Nov 16, 2020. Shinjin 47 should start in Nov 2021.
  • Okan (Crown) Cup[/b] - Not eligible (seems to be for Nagoya branch only).
  • Kansai Go open 1: eliminated in Nov 2020 in the semifinal of class C (this was in main tournament). Kansai Open 2 might start Sept 2021 (but she might not be eligible to play anymore).
  • Wakatake 5: Lost to Hiroki Muramatsu 6p in first round on Nov 29, 2020. Her opponent eventually ended up in 3rd place. It seems to be Kansai only, so she will probably not play in it next year.
  • Female Honimbo 40: Will play Saeka Iwata 1p in 1st qualifying. See Kansai 7 of https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/fhoninbo/040.html
  • Female Meijin 32: defeated Akiko Tsukuda 5p (2741) on Jan 7, 2021 but lost to Ueno Asami in last qualifying game on the same day. Female Meijin 33 should start in Nov 2021?
  • Female Aizu 8: Won 1st qualifying game vs Chiharu Miyamoto 1p on Dec 17. Will play Fumiko Sakakibara 6p next. See West block 3 of https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/aidu/008.html
  • Female Kisei 24 - Lost in 2nd round of main tournament to Aoki Kikuyo 8p on Oct 26. Kisei 25 should start July 2021.
  • Female Senko/Saikyo 6: She starts in 2nd round of qualifying. See West 4 of https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/senko/006.html

My calculations show her results to be as follows:
In 2021: 1-1
In 2020: 23-18
Overall: 41-27
Promotion to 2p: 26 wins (only 4 to go)

I went over the last 2 years' results to calculate her promotion wins. Here is the breakdown (as you can see, she tends to win at least once in every tournament):
  • Kisei 45: 3 wins
  • Meijin 46: 2 wins
  • Honimbo 76: 3 wins
  • Honimbo 77: 1 win
  • Oza 69: 3 wins
  • Gosei 46: 1 win
  • Judan 59: 3 wins
  • Ryusei 29: 2 wins
  • Ryusei 30: 1 win
  • Hiroshima 14: 1 win
  • Hiroshima 15: 3 wins
  • Okage 11: 2 wins
  • Globis 7: 1 win

So it turns out Mainichi Shinbun did their homework better than Nihon Ki-in.

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Post #247 Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:42 am 
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Sumire won on Jan 18 (Female Aizu) and Jan 21 (Judan) and I believe she is now only 3 games from 2p promotion.
She also won on Jan 25 in Female Honimbo 40.

Here are her January 2021 games:
    [1] Won on Jan 7 vs Akiko Tsukuda 5p (佃 亜紀子, 2741) in Female Meijin 32 prelims
    [2] Lost on Jan 7 to Asami Ueno 4p in final prelim game of Female Meijin 32 prelims
    [3] Won on Jan 18 vs Fumiko Sakakibara 6p in Female Aizu 8 prelims.
    [4] Won on Jan 21 vs Minematsu Matsaki 6p in Judan 60 prelims. Big win, counts for promotion by wins and prize money.
    [5] Won on Jan 25 vs Saeka Iwata 1p in Female Honimbo 40 prelims.

Here is a summary of all her tournaments (she is out of tournaments with black names). She is still active in tournaments with red names. I decided to flip the convention since one's attention is drawn to colored text:

Majors tournaments (eligible for prize money rule and promotion by wins):
  • Kisei 46 - She went straight into 2nd round of qualifying, where she will play Ha Youngil (河 英一六段 - 6p, 35 years old, rating 3040, #530). See West block 3 in https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/kisei/046.html.
  • Meijin 46 - eliminated Mar 5, 2020. Meijin 47 should have started in Dec 2020. I think it's delayed because they are still playing the Meijin 46 league
  • Honimbo 77 - eliminated on Dec 3, 2020. Honimbo 78 should start around Oct 2021?.
  • Oza 69 - eliminated in Oct 2020. Oza 70 should start in March 2021
  • Tengen 47 - eliminated Apr 2, 2020. Tengen 48 should start in Apr 2021
  • Gosei 47 - will play Rafif Shidqi Fitrah (フィトラRS, 1p, 18 yrs) in first round of qualifying, who just became a pro through the special (easier) qualification path for foreigners. This might be his first game? She's in Tokyo 4.
  • Judan 60 - defeated Minematsu Matsaki (6p, 2698, 57yr old) in first round of qualifying C on Jan 21, 2021. Kansai/Chubu frame 8 https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/jyudan/060.html

Mixed tournaments counting towards promotion by wins:
  • Kiryama 28 - Will play Yasufumi Tahara (7p, 46yrs, 2714, #1000) in her 1st preliminary game.
  • Ryusei 30 - Defeated Araki Issei 4P on June 29, 2020 in final of prelim B. Lost to Nakano Shoya 1p in Prelim A. Ryusei 31 should start in April-Jun 2021?
  • Hiroshima 15 (Young Carp). Eliminated in Nov 2020. Hiroshima 16 should start Sept 2021.
  • Okage (Thanks Cup) 11 - eliminated on Apr 6, 2020 by Xie Yimmin. Okage 12 should start in March 2021
  • SGW Nakajima 3 - did not participate? SGW 4 should start in Aug 2021
  • Globis Cup 8 should start Jan 2021

Women-only or other tournaments not counting for promotion:
  • Shinjin (King of New Stars) 46 - eliminated in Nov 16, 2020. Shinjin 47 should start in Nov 2021.
  • Okan (Crown) Cup - Not eligible (seems to be for Nagoya branch only).
  • Kansai Go open 1: eliminated in Nov 2020 in the semifinal of class C (this was in main tournament). Kansai Open 2 might start Sept 2021 (but she might not be eligible to play anymore).
  • Wakatake 5: Lost to Hiroki Muramatsu 6p in first round on Nov 29, 2020. Her opponent eventually ended up in 3rd place. It seems to be Kansai only, so she will probably not play in it next year.
  • Female Honimbo 40: Defeated Saeka Iwata 1p in 1st qualifying on Jan 25, 2021. Her next opponent is Takao Mari (髙雄 茉莉, 1p, 19 yrs - became pro in 2019 through special recruiting as well). See Kansai 7 of https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/fhoninbo/040.html
  • Female Meijin 32: defeated Akiko Tsukuda 5p (2741) on Jan 7, 2021 but lost to Ueno Asami in last qualifying game on the same day. Female Meijin 33 should start in Nov 2021?
  • Female Aizu 8: Won 1st qualifying game vs Chiharu Miyamoto 1p on Dec 17 and 2nd vs Fumiko Sakakibara 6p on Jan 18, 2021. Will play Akane Tatsuni (辰己 茜, 3p, 38yrs) next. See West block 3 of https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/aidu/008.html
  • Female Kisei 24 - Lost in 2nd round of main tournament to Aoki Kikuyo 8p on Oct 26. Kisei 25 should start July 2021.
  • Female Senko/Saikyo 6: She starts in 2nd round of qualifying. See West 4 of https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/senko/006.html

My calculations show her results to be as follows:
In 2021: 4-1
In 2020: 23-18
Overall: 44-27
Promotion to 2p: 27 wins (only 3 to go)

I went over the last 2 years' results to calculate her promotion wins. Here is the breakdown (as you can see, she tends to win at least once in every tournament):
  • Kisei 45: 3 wins
  • Meijin 46: 2 wins
  • Honimbo 76: 3 wins
  • Honimbo 77: 1 win
  • Oza 69: 3 wins
  • Gosei 46: 1 win
  • Judan 59: 3 wins
  • Judan 60: 1 win (ongoing)
  • Ryusei 29: 2 wins
  • Ryusei 30: 1 win
  • Hiroshima 14: 1 win
  • Hiroshima 15: 3 wins
  • Okage 11: 2 wins
  • Globis 7: 1 win

Edits - on Jan 30, 2021 with win in Female Honimbo 40
- On Feb 13, 2021 with Ago/Kiryama 28 matchup


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Post #248 Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:36 am 
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Sumire defeated Ha Youngil (6p) on Feb 4th in Kisei 46 prelims.

Her 2021 results: 5-1
Promotion to 2p: 28 wins (needs :w2: more)
Her rating: 2916, #750

Will play TAJIMA, Shingo (6p, 37yrs, 2879, #805) in the next Kisei 46 prelims. He's the pupil of Nakamura Shinya, Sumire's father!
Will also play Yasufumi Tahara (7p, 46yrs, 2714, #1000) in Kiryama 28 prelims.

Her rating is higher than both of them, so she might be a slight favorite?

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Post #249 Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:15 am 
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Sumire won on Feb 11 vs Akane Tatsuni 3p in Female Aizu 8 qualifying. Will play Wang Jing Yi (王 景怡, 3p, 35yrs) in last qualifying game.

She also won on Feb 18 vs Takao Mari 1p in Female Honimbo 40 qualifying and make it to the main tournament.

Note that both opponents had a lower rating than her.

2021 results: 7-1
Promotion to 2p: 28 wins (needs :w2: more)
Her rating: 2936, #722

I have a feeling that once gotoeveryone announces the win stats for 2021 you will see Sumire's name in that list, since 7-1 is pretty good :D .

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Post #250 Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:18 am 
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Sumire defeated Yasufumi Tahara (7p) on Mar 1 in Kiryama 28 prelims and I believe is only 1 win away from being promoted to 2p.

February games:
    [1] Won on Feb 4 vs Ha Youngil (6p) in Kisei 46 prelims. Big win, counts for promotion by wins and prize money.
    [2] Won on Feb 11 vs Akane Tatsuni (3p) in Female Aizu 8.
    [3] Won on Feb 18 vs Takao Mari (1p) in last Female Honimbo 40 prelim game and made it to main tournament.

March games:
    [1] Defeated Yasufumi Tahara (7p) on Mar 1 in Kiryama 28 prelims.


Here is a summary of all her tournaments (she is out of tournaments with black names). She is still active in tournaments with red names. I decided to flip the convention since one's attention is drawn to colored text:

Majors tournaments (eligible for prize money rule and promotion by wins):
  • Kisei 46 - Defeated Ha Youngil (6p, 35 years old, rating 3040, #530) on Feb 4 in prelims 2. Will play Tajima Shingo (但馬 慎吾, 6p, 2879, #805) next. See West block 3 in https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/kisei/046.html.
  • Meijin 46 - eliminated Mar 5, 2020. Meijin 47 should have started in Dec 2020. I think it's delayed because they are still playing the Meijin 46 league
  • Honimbo 77 - eliminated on Dec 3, 2020. Honimbo 78 should start around Oct 2021?.
  • Oza 69 - eliminated in Oct 2020. Oza 70 should start in March 2021
  • Tengen 47 - eliminated Apr 2, 2020. Tengen 48 should start in Apr 2021
  • Gosei 47 - will play Rafif Shidqi Fitrah (フィトラRS, 1p, 18 yrs) in first round of qualifying, who just became a pro through the special (easier) qualification path for foreigners. This might be his first game? She's in Tokyo 4.
  • Judan 60 - defeated Minematsu Matsaki (6p, 2698, 57yr old) in first round of qualifying C on Jan 21, 2021. Kansai/Chubu frame 8 https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/jyudan/060.html

Mixed tournaments counting towards promotion by wins:
  • Kiryama 28 - defeated Yasufumi Tahara (7p, 46yrs, 2714, #1000) on Mar 1 in her 1st preliminary game. Will play MATSUBARA Taisei (松原 大成 6p, 49yrs, 2772, #948) next. See Tokyo 8 in https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/kiriyama/028.html
  • Ryusei 30 - Defeated Araki Issei 4P on June 29, 2020 in final of prelim B. Lost to Nakano Shoya 1p in Prelim A. Ryusei 31 should start in April-Jun 2021?
  • Hiroshima 15 (Young Carp). Eliminated in Nov 2020. Hiroshima 16 should start Sept 2021.
  • Okage (Thanks Cup) 11 - eliminated on Apr 6, 2020 by Xie Yimmin. Okage 12 should start in March 2021
  • SGW Nakajima 3 - did not participate? SGW 4 should start in Aug 2021
  • Globis Cup 8 should have started Jan 2021

Women-only or other tournaments not counting for promotion:
  • Shinjin (King of New Stars) 46 - eliminated in Nov 16, 2020. Shinjin 47 should start in Nov 2021.
  • Okan (Crown) Cup[/b] - Not eligible (seems to be for Nagoya branch only).
  • Kansai Go open 1: eliminated in Nov 2020 in the semifinal of class C (this was in main tournament). Kansai Open 2 might start Sept 2021 (but she might not be eligible to play anymore).
  • Wakatake 5: Lost to Hiroki Muramatsu 6p in first round on Nov 29, 2020. Her opponent eventually ended up in 3rd place. It seems to be Kansai only, so she will probably not play in it next year.
  • Female Honimbo 40: Defeated Saeka Iwata 1p in 1st qualifying on Jan 25, 2021. Defeated Takao Mari (髙雄 茉莉, 1p, 19 yrs - became pro in 2019 through special recruiting as well) on Feb 18 to make it to main tournament. Waiting on the main draw lottery now.. See Kansai 7 of https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/fhoninbo/040.html
  • Female Meijin 32: defeated Akiko Tsukuda 5p (2741) on Jan 7, 2021 but lost to Ueno Asami in last qualifying game on the same day. Female Meijin 33 should start in Nov 2021?
  • Female Aizu 8: Won 1st qualifying game vs Chiharu Miyamoto 1p on Dec 17 . Won 2nd vs Fumiko Sakakibara 6p on Jan 18, 2021. Won 3rd vs Akane Tatsuni (辰己 茜, 3p, 38yrs) on Feb 11. Will play Wang Jing Yi (王  景怡, 3p, 35yrs) in last qualifying game. See West block 3 of https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/aidu/008.html
  • Female Kisei 24 - Lost in 2nd round of main tournament to Aoki Kikuyo 8p on Oct 26. Kisei 25 should start July 2021.
  • Female Senko/Saikyo 6: She will play Tamura Chiaki (田村 千明, 3p, 42yrs) in 2nd round of qualifying. See West 4 of https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/senko/006.html

My calculations show her results to be as follows:
In 2021: 8-1 (she is #8-12 in overall 2021 Japanese ranking by wins on gotoeveryone web site.
In 2020: 23-18
Overall: 48-27
Promotion to 2p: 29 wins (only 1 to go)
Go rating: 2934, #725

I went over the last 2 years' results to calculate her promotion wins. Here is the breakdown (as you can see, she tends to win at least once in every tournament):
  • Kisei 45: 3 wins
  • Kisei 46: 1 win (ongoing)
  • Meijin 46: 2 wins
  • Honimbo 76: 3 wins
  • Honimbo 77: 1 win
  • Oza 69: 3 wins
  • Gosei 46: 1 win
  • Judan 59: 3 wins
  • Judan 60: 1 win (ongoing)
  • Ryusei 29: 2 wins
  • Ryusei 30: 1 win
  • Hiroshima 14: 1 win
  • Hiroshima 15: 3 wins
  • Okage 11: 2 wins
  • Globis 7: 1 win
  • Kiryama 28: 1 win (ongoing)

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Post #251 Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:21 am 
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The annual figure just published by the Nihon Ki-this March for 2020 (Jan to Dec) was 21-17. The equivalent figure for 2020 was 17-7. That seems to imply two things: (1) she went backwards in percentage terms in 2021; (2) these are not the figures used for promotion.

I have seen nothing in Nihon Ki-in sources that indicate her current promotion tally. I have seen one reference in a newspaper, but they may have been misled by her career score. For reasons of hype, if nothing else, I'd expect articles on the countdown to 2-dan, but I've yet to see any, so maybe it's not as imminent as we all hope.

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I have just seen a Nihon Ki-in source that can be regarded as starting the countdown to Sumire's 2-dan promotion.

The news points were (a) she has put up a seven-game winning streak in "official" games this year that brings her to 28 wins, just two shy of promotion. She was aided by a bit of luck in her last game, against Tahara. She should have lost but found a way of complicating that led Tahara astray into a ko. It is a skill of hers, of course, and is being labelled Sumire-style kiai. I presume that might mean she is so cute you don't realise you are being stabbed in the heart :)

The other news point is that was her last win before her 12th birthday (2nd March). She revealed in the game post-mortem that she was expecting her favourite chocolate cake for that, so if you want an excuse for a blow-out you can buy a choccie cake and keep it in the fridge until the promotion day, which can't be far off and which you can share with her. In compensation, you can feel virtuous every time you open the fridge door and make yourself wait.

Actually there has been a clutch of female promotions - a big proportion relative to the men - who have earned promotion in the past week or so. From memory there has been at least Mukai Chiaki, Nakajima Mieko, Hoshiai Shiho and of course Ueno Asami.

Vaguely in that connection, we used to follow Sugiuchi Kazuko here. In 2020 her record was just 0-7, and 0-1 so far tis year. I'm sure we can safely assume she was shielding, but she is at least still being listed as active. (Her score in 2019 was 4-11, and she turned 94 just a few days ago. Go on, you can have choccie biscuit now to celebrate that.)


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Sumire won two more games on two consecutive days and reached 30 promotion wins by my calculation. But there is no announcement, so they must count differently.

These march wins were:
[2] Defeated Tamura Chiaki (3p, 42yrs, 2648, #1029) in Female Senko 6 on Mar 10.
[3] Defeated Tajima Shingo (6p, 2879, #805) in Kisei 46 on Mar 11. Big win, counts for promotion by wins and prize money.

I counted these promotion wins:
  • Kisei 45: 3 wins
  • Kisei 46: 2 wins (ongoing)
  • Meijin 46: 2 wins
  • Honimbo 76: 3 wins
  • Honimbo 77: 1 win
  • Oza 69: 3 wins
  • Gosei 46: 1 win
  • Judan 59: 3 wins
  • Judan 60: 1 win (ongoing)
  • Ryusei 29: 2 wins
  • Ryusei 30: 1 win
  • Hiroshima 14: 1 win
  • Hiroshima 15: 3 wins
  • Okage 11: 2 wins
  • Globis 7: 1 win
  • Kiryama 28: 1 win (ongoing)

The only one that might be doubtful is the Globis 7 win, which was in the prelims. Globis cup is listed as one of the tournaments eligible for promotion. In any case, even if that win doesn't count, she is only one win away from promotion.

Her 2021 results: 10-1 (she is #3-9 in overall 2021 Japanese ranking by wins on gotoeveryone web site.

Her go rating is 2934, #725, so she was a favorite for winning both of those games. Her next opponent in Kisei 46 will be more difficult: Hara Masakazu (原 正和 3p, 23 yrs, 3059, #495)


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Post #254 Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:32 am 
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Sumire won two more games on two consecutive days and reached 30 promotion wins by my calculation. But there is no announcement, so they must count differently.


From memory, there are some events that count but not every element of that event counts (i.e. prelims may be excluded; I think Globis may be in that category).

But I did some digging and what I found was a report that said Sumire's win against Tajima was her 29th and her next game is on 15 March. My daughter has just delivered a box of choccie biccies - perfect timing!

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Post #255 Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:15 am 
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John Fairbairn wrote:
From memory, there are some events that count but not every element of that event counts (i.e. prelims may be excluded; I think Globis may be in that category).


The rules are here: https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/rank.html. Does it say anything about prelims?

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Post #256 Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:21 pm 
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Yes, but only for some international events. I still think that may apply for Globis even if not stated there. Don't ever expect Japanese rules to be explicit. There will be people here who will smirk knowingly at that, but it seems a pretty universal thing. I was watching a baseball video last night in which an ex-MLB player was explaining how the "unwritten" rules in baseball are causing ructions. Now my YouTube list of recommendations indicates they have a similar problem in NFL. I look forward to watching that later. I think I'll have a lemon-curd tart with that rather than a choccie biccie. It seems more appropriate.

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Post #257 Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:52 am 
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She got her 2 dan.

https://mainichi.jp/articles/20210315/k ... 40/099000c

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Post #259 Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:35 am 
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As of 15th March 2021 Sumire has set a new record as the youngest ever 2-dan, aged 12 years 0 months, beating Cho Chikun's 12 years 3 months 52 years ago. Iyama Yuta was 13 years 3, Rin Kaiho 13 years 6, and Morita Michihiro 14 years 0 (back in 1984).

It is worth remembering that all these players as children had to combine their go progress with studying at school. In Sumire's case, she also had to battle through a Covid-disrupted schedule.

Her latest victim was 48-year-old Matsubara Taisei 6-dan whose record last year was 5-6, which not only indicates he was no pushover but is also an illustration of how few games a typical Japanese pro could play last year.

This game was also in the "big leagues" of Tokyo, as Sumire begins her transition from Osaka. Her career record is now 49 wins and 25 losses (66%), which is not only in the outstanding bracket (typical career percentages for title-level players are 65-70%), but she is really motoring this year. She has scored 11-1 now in 2021, and has won her last 10 games - a personal best winning streak.

Her promotion to 2-dan required 30 wins in events not restricted to women. The next target, for 3-dan, is a further 40 wins.
A nice touch for me was her face mask in the latest game. I've noticed before that Sumire seems to like tartan. Today she was wearing one of the tartans I'm entitled to, the Border tartan, which is small black-and-white squares. Appropriate for go, of course. I think I may promote my celebrations from chocolate biscuits and add cranachan to my tiffin today (that's cream, fromage frais, oats and raspberries in my version, with an optional dash of Glayvar or Drambuie). Takes just a few minutes. If lockdown's boring you as much as me, give it a go - you have a special excuse.


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Post #260 Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:31 am 
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Congratulations! :clap:

Were the promotion rules different in the past? Because despite having the record of being the youngest 2 dan, I do not believe she will be the youngest 3 dan. Because if you analyse these results a little deeper: https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player_news/dan/20210315_sumire.html, you will notice the others got their promotion much faster.

Here is how it took these players to achieve 2 dan:
  • Sumire: 2 years (Apr 1, 2019 - Mar 15, 2021)
  • Cho Chikun: 7 months (Apr 1, 1968 - Oct 17, 1968)
  • Iyama Yuta: 5 months (Apr 1, 2002 - Sept 5, 2002)
  • Cho U: 3 months!!! (Apr 1, 1994 - June 30, 1994)
  • Ichiriki Ryo: 1 year 5 months (Sep 1, 2010 - Jan 27, 2012)

But still, even if saying she didn't become 2p as quickly as these others, I realized I compared her with the prodigies of the Japanese go.
I also noticed one of the women players she played against recently got promoted to 2p in less than a year. This seems to imply that it was easier to promote under the old rules. Maybe more wins counted towards promotion?


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