Araban wrote:Joaz Banbeck wrote::oops:
Seems I posted hastily too...
Who is the other person who posted hastily? ...
Segoe Kensaku 8P, in "Go Proverbs Illustrated", which was first printed in 1960, says that it is alive.
Joaz Banbeck wrote:However, now that you mention it, you too get to join our illustrious group.
Araban wrote:Joaz Banbeck wrote:However, now that you mention it, you too get to join our illustrious group.
Did he, per chance, post the variation along with it? I can't be satisfied until I see it for myself.
Araban wrote:
I am fairly certain that if it's Black to play and he plays first here, there is no way for White to live unconditionally. I would be delighted to see a refutation though as I couldn't find any after quite some thought. Instead of posting 8,318 different variations that seem to work, I'll just wait for variations from others that show White can live unconditionally and try to debunk those.
tj86430 wrote:Araban wrote:
I am fairly certain that if it's Black to play and he plays first here, there is no way for White to live unconditionally. I would be delighted to see a refutation though as I couldn't find any after quite some thought. Instead of posting 8,318 different variations that seem to work, I'll just wait for variations from others that show White can live unconditionally and try to debunk those.
What happens after
(I'm not saying white lives, but I want to learn how black kills)
Araban wrote:I never claimed Black kills, simply that White cannot live unconditionally. Thus, seki and (desperate) kos count. The continuation I had in mind was:
tj86430 wrote:Araban wrote:I never claimed Black kills, simply that White cannot live unconditionally. Thus, seki and (desperate) kos count. The continuation I had in mind was:
Sorry, I expressed my self poorly. When I said "kills" I meant "prohibits white from living unconditionally".
So: how does this continue?
willemien wrote:thanks for all the answers.
I think it is a good shape for the Corner shapes page.
I always intended that page as a collection of different corner shapes that are just not territory.
and this is a rather simple ahape ( no cutting points or so)
and also it is one of the biggest shapes that is still not territory.
Simply adding a phrase to that end, will do the trick I guess.tapir wrote:willemien wrote:thanks for all the answers.
I think it is a good shape for the Corner shapes page.
I always intended that page as a collection of different corner shapes that are just not territory.
and this is a rather simple ahape ( no cutting points or so)
and also it is one of the biggest shapes that is still not territory.
How about a page uncommon corner shapes? (I took the corner shapes to mean common corner shapes, it seems.)
Reasoning:
I still remember a certain 19k on IGS, when we played it was one of my first ten games there. Encouraged by his win, he gave me a long lecture after the game about the power of the sanrensei opening and other book knowledge. I fear that people may be inclined to learn the outcomes of the staircase ten as if they were as important as understanding the tripod group. As we see from Herman being 4 dan, the staircase ten isn't so important after all.
. In that case, the situation is much different. I guess there's something unsatisfying about a group that lives without points.
willemien wrote:tapir wrote:willemien wrote:thanks for all the answers.
I think it is a good shape for the Corner shapes page.
I always intended that page as a collection of different corner shapes that are just not territory.
and this is a rather simple ahape ( no cutting points or so)
and also it is one of the biggest shapes that is still not territory.
How about a page uncommon corner shapes? (I took the corner shapes to mean common corner shapes, it seems.)
Reasoning:
I still remember a certain 19k on IGS, when we played it was one of my first ten games there. Encouraged by his win, he gave me a long lecture after the game about the power of the sanrensei opening and other book knowledge. I fear that people may be inclined to learn the outcomes of the staircase ten as if they were as important as understanding the tripod group. As we see from Herman being 4 dan, the staircase ten isn't so important after all.
At the moment CornerShapes consist of "only" 33 different corner shapes on the page.
And they are all (i think) easely accessable from the table of contents.
(the page is nothing more than a list of diagrams (one per shape) a bit of text and a link to a more specialized page)
It was always my intention to also to include positions that were bordering between "alive with territory" and "alive in seki" . (because that was a detail that I missed in other books)
(And so that readers of sensei's have sometimes the joy of turning an "alive with territory" corner into an "alive in seki" corner )
If you really like you can make a page of common corner shapes and if you like i can give you a hand (It is not that difficult just copy and paste the whole page, remove the uncommen shapes, and that is it)
I think the biggest problem is deciding what is common and not and maybe finding pages that you want to link your new page )
success
The part on five stone in a row on the third line in a corner is, alas, only one page.