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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Post by Joaz Banbeck »

Kirby wrote:
Hmm, I didn't expect that move - at least not at this moment. I will have to think about it for a little bit.


To observers:
What is there to think about? With O17, you chose to go for the kill. ( A decision that I agree with, BTW ) The only consistent continuation is :b1: below:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . # O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . O . # . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't know if it works, but it must be played. Anything else would lead the observers to think that you are waffling.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Post by Violence »

@Joaz

Basically, Kirby has to just stay on his toes and refuse to needlessly compromise.

He has a huge advantage, and he should be mindful of that, as long as it doesn't detract from his willingness to fight.

Basically, he should be like this:

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I hope we get to see Kirby sipping tea leisurely atop his Charizard in this game quite soon.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." -- Bruce Lee
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X 6 O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


One of the variations that I thought white might play was as follows:

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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . O . X 3 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O X . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I did not like this result:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . O 9 X 3 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O X 7 4 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X 6 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I planned to play this way if he threatened to cut:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . O . X 3 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O 8 O X 6 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X 7 5 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But with Magicwand's last move, it looks like my "instinctive" reply can lead to something that foils :b8: in the diagram above. For example:
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[go]$$Wcm81 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 . . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X 7 O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I try this, though, I think that it is not so much of a threat...
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X 1 O . X 4 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O 9 O X 7 5 a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X 8 6 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


WIth a sequence like above, I think I should be OK, particularly since "a" (above) is not sente…

Let's see what he comes up with.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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Hmmm, looks like magicwand has the choice of living. It is harder for Black to be severe now:

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[go]$$Bcm86 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 2 3 6 X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X 1 O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O 4 O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


(Yes, I realise :b88: is a silly move - it's more to highlight that the purpose I think Kirby had in mind will be hard to see through I think)
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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Sometimes it is difficult for me to be patient. For these forum games, especially, I want to see what happens quickly... But I have to wait.

I guess it isn't much better with online games, either. The pace is faster, but sometimes I am not patient when I really should sit down and read something out.

I wonder what I can do to increase my patience... I wonder how I can make myself read when I want to play quickly.

I guess the good thing is, in this case at least, I am forced to play slowly (relatively speaking, at least :-)).
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Post by Kirby »

Sometimes I also feel that the smiley face icon looks a bit sarcastic. I did not mean sarcasm in my last post. But that face is staring at me with some sort of yellow-faced sarcasm, like it is taunting me... :-) :-) :-)

I think it's gotta be those eyebrows...
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Kirby wrote:
Sometimes I also feel that the smiley face icon looks a bit sarcastic. I did not mean sarcasm in my last post. But that face is staring at me with some sort of yellow-faced sarcasm, like it is taunting me... :-) :-) :-)

I think it's gotta be those eyebrows...


Kirby:
This is why I use the :D for this forum, and only this forum. It looks how the :) should be intended.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O 7 O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

first instinct: that is not right..what can i do to take advantage of that move...
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 8 . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess I might still get cut this way... But locally, this move is too good to pass up.

If he cuts me, I will fight back.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Post by Kirby »

Go is a nice outlet through which I can escape the real world, sometimes.

If I were Magicwand, I might consider playing here:
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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm81 black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X 9 . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Post by Joaz Banbeck »

The exchange of the last two black moves and the last two white moves has been terrible for black. Black has surrounded one stone. White has managed to separate two black groups.

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[go]$$Wcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a O B W . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X B O . X b X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O W O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . c X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black still has to play 'a'. And he may need to play 'b' also, because white has 'c'.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Post by gaius »

@Joaz Banbeck:
I'm not sure if I agree with you. Black has a rather nice tesuji now:
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[go]$$Bc black: 6 white: 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 4 1 . 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 3 X X O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This kills white's eye-space rather effectively - it gets reduced to only a half eye, and all of black's weaknesses are gone. Let's hope Kirby spots it :)
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again

Post by Kirby »

I feel that the move is a bit easy on me... I will think a bit about my response.
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