110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon May 16, 2011 5:51 pm

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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon May 16, 2011 6:26 pm

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue May 17, 2011 6:23 am

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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Tue May 17, 2011 2:28 pm

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue May 17, 2011 4:33 pm

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue May 17, 2011 4:36 pm

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue May 17, 2011 4:44 pm

Post #139 now unhidden.

Kirby,

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue May 17, 2011 4:48 pm

EdLee wrote:Post #139 now unhidden.

Kirby,
Kirby wrote:I tenuki'd before, so I had to pay this back, anyway.
Not if you had just played nobi instead of atari:
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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Tue May 17, 2011 5:23 pm

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue May 17, 2011 5:43 pm

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue May 17, 2011 6:05 pm

Kirby,

Kirby wrote:But do you think that this was worth more than sente to break up his moyo?

At that time, you had at least 2 ways into the center, so maybe it was not so big:

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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Tue May 17, 2011 7:09 pm

Thinking time. How are you feeling about the game now, Kirby? It's definitely not the same game we were discussing earlier.

I have a few thoughts ...

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So, lots of interesting points, some endgame and some not ... I think I'm going to try and evaluate the board, though ... maybe I'll count! Or, at least, count how much cash Kirby has already made off with.

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W has about 56 points in cash plus 6.5 komi. That's 62.5 points that I have to match ... and don't forget I'm assuming that I get to reduce as far as that 56 ... I haven't looked at potential ... gonna think hard here.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 18, 2011 3:27 am

EdLee wrote:Kirby,
Kirby wrote:But do you think that this was worth more than sente to break up his moyo?
At that time, you had at least 2 ways into the center, so maybe it was not so big:
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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 18, 2011 3:29 am

I feel OK about the game, Marcus, as long as you agree not to get too many more points.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed May 18, 2011 4:27 am

Kirby,

I think either A or B, but not C.

Kirby wrote:maybe it would have been fine to do even this:
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Also, the difference between D and E (the game) is huge-- 20+ points??

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