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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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daniel_the_smith wrote:
Kirby wrote:You guys must read much faster than me. :-)

I am still calculating.


Kibitzers get an automatic +5 to reading, and it stacks with the ego bonus for being a dan player...


Could be. I was always under the impression that kibitz reading was not as good as in game reading (eg. kibitzers don't have to consider everything, and can just go off of intuition), but it could just be me.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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12j take ko
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 4 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . X . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X O O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O C O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X 7 X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . 8 . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Game over?
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 4 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . 9 X . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X O O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



maybe i can win this :)
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 4 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . 0 O X . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X O O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Either I have completely overlooked something, or he is very persistent.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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i resign
very strong game by kirby.
sorry for playing so poorly.
i will try to discuss after reading hidden.
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Thank you both for sharing the game!
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Thanks for playing, Magicwand. I really enjoy the opportunity to play you.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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i am not sure if below works but...i should have played as below.
then i would have better chance..
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . 6 5 . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 9 X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O 8 7 O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm111 white: 2 black: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O . . X . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . . X 3 . , C . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O . . . O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


as kirby stated.. i should have played there..
but...i wasnt sure if it works..
that is one move i regret most.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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I suppose in this situation, black should play here:
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


since white still has the shortage of liberties issue in the marked spot.

However, I think White may then be inclined to threaten as in the game:
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O 0 9 O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X 7 X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . 8 . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm151 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O X 2 X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X 1 X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O X O O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O C O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X O X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So maybe black cannot try to kill, above, if white takes the ko. Instead, probably I would do this:
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . 8 . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X C O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X 7 X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . 9 . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white plays the last move in the sequence, above, then I'd maybe play at the marked spot to try to ensure that the rest dies.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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what if i play 147 as below?
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . 5 6 7 . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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Magicwand wrote:what if i play 147 as below?
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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . 5 6 7 . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O 4 . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O C . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then maybe I'd lose. Haha.
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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I wonder if I should play this, then:

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[go]$$Wcm141 white: 3 black: 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . W . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | X . . . X . O X . X O . X O . O X . . |
$$ | O X X , . O X X 6 X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | O O O O . O . . O O X X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | X . X X X X O O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . X . . X . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X X X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
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Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby

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yea.. it might fool ddk but you are too strong :)
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
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