138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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pancake wrote:An instant reply this time ;)
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a or b are unplayable, since I will extend at c.
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But this seems very bad for him...
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Presumably something like this. White can not cut because of :b5:. If instead 2 at 5, Black just plays 3. If 2 at 3, after Black plays at 2 the marked stone is in just the right place to create a ladder, right?
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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[go]$$Bcm33 black: 1 white: 0
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trigger:
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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0
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Only option right now. I'll have to think about what I do here:
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Or maybe he will play 5 at a? but 5 is a really nice point for me as well.. hmmm. I'll think about it when he actually made a move.
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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[go]$$Bcm33 black: 1 white: 0
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I was worrying about this shape.
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[go]$$Bcm33 black: 1 white: 0
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Considering I really wanted to play :b35: .
I was also wondering about playing 35:
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[go]$$Bcm35 black: 1 white: 0
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Which seems a bit more active, and I think the tower-peep-esque shape tends to be good for black. However, in the end I felt the game move was more solid.


Heh. I actually chose my move before checking your trigger, so- :P
Well, I guessed the obvious triggered move, and I think pancake's sequence may be right and I have played slowly on top. My reason for not playing it;
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[go]$$Bcm35 black: 1 white: 0
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White lives meagrely in gote if he chooses to take sente. I think I have possibly somewhat misjudged top left and right.

Edit: Considering I was happy for white to play next in the top left when I played 21, I do feel my 35 was probably inconsistent.
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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What can I say? tightest move possible to capture the stone. It does nothing more then capturing, but it's really big anyway.. omitting the a-b exchange might be good, since then I get a good point at c. c now is bad shape, since he has d.
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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . a O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d b O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . |
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So my only option on that side of the board would be a or b. a looks very slow. He will play c-d, and then jump out at e or even play at f.
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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 1 white: 0
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$$ | . . . c . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . b O X . |
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$$ | . . f . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . e . X . . |
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


b seems to invite the following sequence, after which black will probably play something like a, after exchanging b-c I think I gained about 16 points on the right. He gets about the same in the center, but he gets b as well, which is huge.
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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 1 white: 0
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$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . c . . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . 6 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . X . . |
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Maybe I should just play easy with 1 and 3 in this diagram. 3 at a would be worse, because he plays b in sente. In this case, c is my sente. In this case, I would have about 45 solid points, he would have about 42. So I would be ahead by few, but he's got more potential still. e and f are huge, if they're miai, that would be advantageous for me.
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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 1 white: 0
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$$ | . . . . b c . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 a X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . e . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . e . . . . . . . . . . . . . Y . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . f . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . f . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . g . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Now that I actually look at this again, I think his potential is quite low, because I can capture the marked black stone if he tries to make something in the center. Also, e and f might be miai, but I really want f, because I have a great follow up at g. Anyway, if I play anywhere else, he gets to play the slide in sente, my corner could be destabilised a bit and that move is just HUGE. I think this is really the only option. for me. I will play it!


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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . W . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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[go]$$Bcm37 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
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$$ | . . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

So, I feel like I have lost ground over the last couple moves. This seems necessary because a white move at the same place not only lives on top, but secures top left in a big way. To some extent I had another chance to revisit right, but I feel like that would be saying 35 was a bad move.
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

Post by Loons »

If white decides to give up sente, eg. in top left (which I am not really expecting), this is what I am thinking about at the moment.
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[go]$$Bcm37 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . l O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . W . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . 4 . X . . . . . , B . . |
$$ | . b O . . . . O 3 . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

...Immediately take gote again myself! Brilliant, I know. Really, I was wondering what on earth I could play on bottom, and this is the idea I'm working on. The marked white stone is slightly weaker 'than normal' because I never peeped at 'x' and thus a fight on the bottom is more interesting for me. I didn't want to play a move close to my marked solid stones. I can treat 'a' and 'b' as miai to strengthen my leftern group.

I suppose I should pick up 'l' myself if it's still around after pancake's sente.

Still working on what becomes possible top left when white inevitably does not fix E18.

Vague suspicion the 3-3 is just still invadable in a bad-for-me-ish way.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------
$$ | . . . . . 4 .
$$ | 9 . 3 . O X .
$$ | . . 1 2 . X .
$$ | . . . O . . X
$$ | . 5 7 8 . . .
$$ | . 6 O . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .[/go]
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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[go]$$Bcm37 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . W . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I can think about tenuki'ing, but this would be his sente:

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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 3 X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


since the moves I discussed earlier are still miai (I think), I'll just play this huge move in the corner..
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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Hidden until move 45:
Hmmm, I wonder whether this would've been better. I'd say it's pretty much sente due to the aji at 'a', which feels good to me.
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[go]$$Wc black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . a . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This way white retains sente, no?
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[go]$$Wc black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 2 4 . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 X 6 O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . 5 X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

Post by Magicwand »

for obs only:
i think both player is missing the point of this game.

below is my suggestion.
top is ok to tenuki and go where it is urgent...(bottom)
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[go]$$Wc black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . B . . 3 . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

Post by Solomon »

There's something about that last move that I don't like...it's profit, but I don't think it's big enough. I'd play:
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[go]$$Wc black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . 1 . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
:w3: looks slow, but I feel it's a move that's bigger than it looks.
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

Post by ez4u »

Araban wrote:
There's something about that last move that I don't like...it's profit, but I don't think it's big enough. I'd play:
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[go]$$Wc black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . 1 . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
:w3: looks slow, but I feel it's a move that's bigger than it looks.

I agree with Araban. White would like to do something at the bottom but I think the bottom-left White stones ended up over-concentrated. As a result, it seems hard to effectively act directly against the Black stone on the bottom. I think the upper right is the most urgent boundary between Black and White. If White plays there first, the Black top looks immediately over-concentrated in turn. If Black tries to pull out the single stone on the right, White can have fun attacking it and may create the opportunity to profitably attack the bottom stone as well. If Black let's the right side stone go, the White right side territory suddenly grows very large.
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

Post by Loons »

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[go]$$Bcm39 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O 1 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Eh, I still like my plan from before (though I am not intending to stick to it religiously). I opted against picking up Q14 to (perhaps misguidedly) try and keep R11's options somewhat open on the right depending on what conditions my current play precipitates.

Also; no idea what to do with R11.

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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . O . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Play on the intersection of two moyo, threaten to pull it out?
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Re: 138. Loons 1d vs Pancake 4d

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I don't think Black should make that exchange and tenuki. Before Black was light and hard to attack, after the exchange I think there are less options to handle that stone.
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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

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Damn, this move actually has a followup if I tenuki.
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[go]$$Bcm1 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 1 O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This seems to good for him, so I should definitely respond.

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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . Q . 1 . X . . 2 . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O X . c . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . b a . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This would be most likely to happen of I extend up. It's not too bad but the marked white stone looks in a crappy place. He will possibly exchange a for b for the aji at c.

So maybe I should extend down?

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[go]$$Wcm1 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . 2 . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O X . b . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . a . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This looks a lot better, eventhough it's bad for influence. I can still jump at a or play b. (Maybe he will play 2 low). These are the only possibilities I can think of. If he plays this without making the side extension it's really weird, so no further analysis needed here.


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[go]$$Bcm39 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d

Post by Loons »

Sorry about the long wait.
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[go]$$Bcm41 black: 1 white: 0
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Well, I feel like the edge of this moyo is very big, and not very gote (yet) anyway, I think.

I had failed to consider this descent. Black can make good-ish shape with respect to the centre, but not do that and close that skirt. I hope opting for "neither" wasn't a big mistake :P. My concern was that the following :b43: did not seem quite big enough with moves on eg. the right up for grabs, though this sequence seems a bit farcical somehow and I am perhaps mistaking it.

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[go]$$Bcm41 black: 1 white: 0
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O 8 1 b X . . f . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . 6 5 3 O X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . c 7 4 O 9 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . e . d . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Edit: Followed by the letters, probably. Retrospectively, that move was probably sente (as well). Oops, d was a ko threat.
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