151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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illluck wrote:Oh, and also, I forgot to mention. The connect also leaves a slightly stronger shape facing the top (though there's no real potential invasion there - I really wish I had extended as Uberdude recommends instead of let black capture now XD).


EH???!!!!! Strong shape for invading the top? Does he not realise his entire group is in mortal danger?!
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 0 . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Mmm, I guess black took the bait (I hope I'm not misreading here, though :p).
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O 1 O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I should probably remove the keima slide first before trying to separate.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . 3 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Go ahead, spend another move and connect. I'll be over here.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . 4 . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Mmm, that looks very hard to deal with - I don't think I have much of a choice. Presumably black wants to settle his group first so he can cut my right side off.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O 5 , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Only move as far as I can see.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X , 9 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X 6 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is pretty much the only road, yeah?
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X , 9 0 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X 6 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not sure if black has harsher sequences, but it is a one-way route for white.
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not sure, but it feels like I got off more easily than I deserved. However, I still owe a move, so have work very hard to catch up.
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Bump in case Shaddy missed my last move.

Also, I just saw that black has O2 after atari to cut off, but I can protect after the atari because after I s8 the capture is gote. So black later has a fairly large yose and I'm even more behind than I thought, but still seems playable (I'm considering N13 first and then L11, but I'll have to bid my time).
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . X . O . . 3 O X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
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I wanted to N13 atari first as it is more forcing, but it scares me a bit because then black may play where I played and either cut in sente or take the entire corner.
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