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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:45 am
by judicata
Helel wrote:
@Everyone:
What do you mean disallowed? There aren't really referees for Malkovich games--if the players want to say "no suggested sequences" at the outset of the game (just as they sometimes do with whether to allow joseki lookup) they certainly may.
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:50 am
by daniel_the_smith
Just change the caption of the diagram.
(EDIT: oh, I missed a page. Well at least you know no one is lying to you...)
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:24 am
by topazg
Helel wrote: Posting of sequences really don't save that much time and they have the potential to cause confusion about what has been played and what's only been suggested.
Save time compared to what? I'm not sure I follow.
Helel wrote: Are they really necessary?
No.
Helel wrote: Would people miss them if they were disallowed?
I certainly would.
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:24 am
by Aphelion
$$Wcm36 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm36 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1
What is this discussion all about?
Balmung: I meant for the captured stones to indicate the actual color of the stones captured, not the stones that each side has captured. Feel free to change it if you dislike it.
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:26 am
by judicata
Helel wrote: What did you think I meant?
I had no idea. It seems an odd thing for the moderators to moderate.
@Aphelion: Sorry, this was on-topic coming from a hidden comment, but it is probably not good to keep the discussion going in a Malkovich game.
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:30 am
by judicata
Helel wrote: Given the clarity of mind that usually characterizes your posts I find it utterly unlikely that you didn't understand this immediately. You are obviously making yourself willfully obtuse. Why?
Since Shawshank Redemption has been playing on cable recently, I associate the word "obtuse" as something more offensive than it actually is.
Seriously, I didn't know if you meant some collective action, official moderator statement, or something else. Of course, moderator intervention did come to mind.
Helel wrote: I took the relevant part out of hiding in the above post. I didn't intend to start a discussion here and I will not post more about the subject in this tread.
It isn't Helel's fault--the discussion really is relevant to an important comment that was made, as discussions naturally flow.
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:36 am
by balmung
$$Wcm36 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm36 Captured Stones: W 0 B 1
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:29 pm
by yoyoma
In Go you can't follow your opponent around the board. You have to have kiai/fighting spirit/ willpower!
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:40 pm
by Aphelion
I looked through the entire game and only found one sequence that I posted:
$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
I didn't think much about this because this is joseki and such a standard choice in this position. However, it seems that there is some unhappiness / argument about it. I would request that we go back to this position because I don't want to win a game this way.
$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Balmung, its to you.
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:51 pm
by balmung
I mean it's fine either way but I guess we could start from there. Okay I will post the move I wanted to play
$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:27 pm
by Aphelion
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:29 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:45 pm
by balmung
$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:51 pm
by judicata
balmung, do you have time to post your expected continuation or your thoughts?
Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:53 pm
by schultz
Yeah, well this does remove any of the "bad aji" feelings that balmung currently has about the situation.
Personally, I think it's almost a little late for him to be complaining a whole lot about it. On a different note, though, I also didn't think the sequences caused that much problem (but we've already had enough other discussions about it from other people in this thread, so I'll end here and not keep hammering on this anymore than I already have).
Now we get back to the game and let us see how balmung likes the change for this game.
(EDIT: oh, I missed a page. Well at least you know no one is lying to you...)