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121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

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Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:00 pm
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm76 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 2 . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
:b76: : I thought about crosscutting as well, as it looks interesting, but I'm going with the nobi instead.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . 2 X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X 3 O 1 . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
:b78: : The shape is bad, but extending or one-space jumping lets him play :w1: below, which starts what I judge to be an unfavorable fight for me. My actual move is harder to exploit in my opinion.
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Since I'm not playing a second nobi, I didn't peek at his trigger, so I have no clue if that's what he actually had planned or not.

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:24 pm
by mw42
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[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . 1 . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I feel like I leave too much bad aji behind if I do not extend. I also have some aji around here myself after the nobi.
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[go]$$Wcm77 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X 7 . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . 3 4 1 . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . 5 X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X 6 O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:47 pm
by Dusk Eagle
I screwed up the numbering (again) at :b74:, it should have been :b79:. We're now at :b85: I believe.
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[go]$$Bcm85 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm losing by quite a lot, so I have to launch an aggressive invasion. If he kills it, I'll have to resign. But it doesn't look all that easy to kill.
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . 8 4 5 O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X 2 O 6 b . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O 1 3 7 . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
He can't stop me from getting both 'a' and 'b'.
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X 2 O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O 1 . 3 . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It appears I can live.
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 5 6 . . W . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . 1 X 8 W . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O 2 4 a . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . 3 . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Awful shape, but I can isolate his :wc: stones and I'm at least picking a fight. :b8: at 'a' might be a better option; I'll have to decide if he plays this way.

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:19 pm
by mw42
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[go]$$Wcm86 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . 1 . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I know I am weak at situations like this. I may lose the game here. :cry: Hopefully, the eye-witnesses of this potential disaster can give me some advice for next time.

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:05 pm
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm87 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Good move by him. I can't find a way to continue in that corner. I think my move would be more realistic if I had a one-space jump from my :b71: stone, but I felt that if I did that he would just defend and I would lose all opportunity to do so. Plus, I forgot about this move when reading it out last time :P. That means I have only one thing left to try. I'll admit right now it seems like a long shot, but I refuse to go down without making him prove it.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . 3 . 5 . . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I've read further than this, but it starts to branch into more variations than I have the time to post. Like I said, I don't really think it works, but I'm desperate now.

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:56 pm
by mw42
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[go]$$Wcm88 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O 1 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Like the kosumi in the upper-left, I think this is the strongest move. I need to be careful not to let the upper-left become ko because something will have to give. If I just let him live in the corner, I could use the resulting thickness to invade his left and hopefully keep the game even that way. So, yeah.

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:30 pm
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm89 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:50 am
by mw42
Ahh, yes. The old :b89: at h2 maneuver.
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[go]$$Wcm90 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . X . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think this will live. If he wanted to try something here perhaps he should have played like this on the left:
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[go]$$Wcm90 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . Y Q . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . Q Y . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . X . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Even then I think it is difficult, but now if he lives it must be local because he has no place to run. Of course, I'm a fool and I miss self-ataris when reading so anything can happen.

He must feel like he is losing big, i.e. he cannot win at yose, because allowing :w90: is giving up a chance for black to play there and giving me the opportunity for a monkey jump.

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:55 pm
by Dusk Eagle
:)
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O . X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . 1 . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sounds like he might be trying to play mindgames with me. Might as well respond with a smiley to throw a bit back at him ;-) .

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:10 pm
by mw42
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[go]$$Wcm92 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O 1 X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
What I've read.
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[go]$$Wcm92 W(a)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . 5 O 1 X 6 O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X 0 X 2 4 3 X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . a . . . . 8 7 9 . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:36 pm
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm93 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O O X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X 1 . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
All according to plan so far.
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . 6 O O X 2 O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X 4 1 X 5 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:42 pm
by mw42
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[go]$$Wcm94 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . X . O . X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . X . O X X O O O X |
$$ | . . O O . O . . . , . . O O O X . . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . X . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O X . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . . O O X . O O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . 1 X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:40 am
by Dusk Eagle
You're not going to let me live, are you? :P

I resign. Thank you for the game. I'll probably try to summarize my thoughts later.

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:45 am
by mw42
Thanks for the game.

EDIT: And, no, I didn't intend to let you live, sorry. :D

Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k)

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:40 am
by mw42
It won't be a pain to unhide all these comments thanks to this nifty greasemonkey script some cool guy made. :tmbup:

:b5:
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[go]$$Bcm5 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I thought this was a good move. It made me deviate from my original plan of building up the left side.
:w8:
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[go]$$Wcm8 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . a . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . Q . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move can be played, but it usually is omitted as it removes the possibility of invasion. Regardless, not playing at (a) was probably a bad idea. This more than :wt: made this game enter unusual territory.
:b13:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 5 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 6 . . . . 2 1 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There was some discussion about this variation instead. I would have probably responded to :b1: at (a) not as in the variation.
@ez4u
I wanted to look to building up the left (hence the 3-5), and I thought after my move ( :w4: ) I'd be able to use it to hassle black's corner group and build up the left in the way. That was my initial strategy. Of course, my move may not have been very good.
:w18:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 5 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . a 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This probably wouldn't be so good because of the weakness at (a), but...
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
might be possible /shrug.
:b29:
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[go]$$Bcm29 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . Y . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . a . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This was a big exchange. Letting my group get surrounded is obviously huge, but I think my move was big, too. I felt like I'd be able to make small life, so adding another move didn't seem worth it. Had :bt: been at (a), I wouldn't have been able to live. So, I guess that answers the question of what move was better in that position -- the move that puts more pressure on white! ;-)
That's about it, I guess. Thanks again for the game.
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