Life In 19x19

Life in 19x19. Go, Weiqi, Baduk... Thats the life.
https://lifein19x19.com/

#245 Kirby vs. paK0

https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?t=11176

Page 8 of 14

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:01 am
by paK0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm suprised, this seems like one of his weaker options.

I'll keep playing as planned, I think a pincer on my two stones on the left in incoming.

I'm really interested in his followup. D8 seems like a natural move. I have to do some reading, but attaching underneath may be simple and good enough. This is the area where he has most potential to make points, so a long as my two stones on the left don't die I'll probably be ahead once the dust settles.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:57 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
attack

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:37 am
by paK0
So far as expected.

I'll use the weekend to do some reading, I should be careful since this will shape how the game will go in the future.

Since these stones can't really run anywhere I'll need to live locally, but if he gets too strong he will just get more play in the area.

I don't think I can win a ko, otherwise the cut at j9 might be a funky idea.

I'll look at C8 and E8 first, these look like the most promising.

:study:

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:45 am
by paK0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Lets play from the outside. I don't think I can really fight here. He probably needs to respond (Iron pillar?) or attaching underneath will be too good for me. If he gets to just swallow the middle left, it is going to be a lot of points, about 45 to my estimate, but on the other hand I don't see a lot of potential for him elsewhere, at least nothing that matches my right side.

I looked at the attachments, the top one seems to go nowhere.

I think I can quite easily live with the one underneath, but even the most simple sequence I found seems too good for him:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 4 . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:14 am
by Kirby
Huh..

My first thought is this:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . W O a . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Not sure about follow ups (eg. 'a'), yet.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:26 am
by emeraldemon
If this game does continue to the end it'll be (at least) three years elapsed from first move to last. I wonder if that would set a record for longest Malkovich game?

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:26 pm
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . W O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Should be Ok. I think I’m gaining ground.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:27 pm
by Kirby
emeraldemon wrote:If this game does continue to the end it'll be (at least) three years elapsed from first move to last. I wonder if that would set a record for longest Malkovich game?
Joaz’s game is also a longstanding one, iirc.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:26 am
by paK0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B . X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Since I expected it I prepared a reply.

I think this is the proper move in regards to the top left. Gives me the corner and creates some aji for my middle left stones. I'm not 100% sure, but I feel like he needs to keep to left dead, so this is probably sente.

If he responds some candidates for followups are E3/R4 and just take points or play around M14 to tie up any aji around there. K8 seems also nice, but lets make sure I'm relatively safe befor I start a fight with the guy that is (at least)9 ranks stronger than me :D
@emeraldemon: Yeah, that was the true intention of my not playing go for three years :tmbup:

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:18 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . W . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:01 am
by Bill Spight
What if David Attenborough did live go commentary? :mrgreen:
{hushed tones} Food is scarce in the top left quadrant. White cuts off an escape route and menaces Black's corner group.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:08 pm
by paK0
Mh, I don't think I have ever seen this move :scratch:

Well, gotta do some reading, though chances are I will have to respond locally.

C16 is probably ok, if a bit submissive.

C15 and D15 look stronger, but I don't know how this will affect the corner. Fighting in this area won't turn out well for me.

:study:

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:15 am
by paK0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X B X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Simple (might be best)?

I briefly looked at C15, but after Atari-Connect we are both more solid and my cut at B14 isn't worth much. If I need to connect there I should just do it right away.

D15 might be a good move, but it looks dangerous to say the least. I'll try to not bank this game on my fuzzy reading if I can =).

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:54 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Little by little, I'll try to catch up.

Tricky part about handicap games is not to be too impatient.

Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:29 am
by paK0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think this should be a good response. Taking the corner is consistent with what I did in the top left.

Two other responses I have discarded: D2 and E3.

I think D2 takes the corner more firmly, but I also know there are some tricky plays after white wedges and I'm not gonna bank this game on weather or not I can outread him (hint: I probably can't).

E2 will end up giving me influence, but I'm not sure if I get sente. If not he can just jump to G8 and that might be game over.
All times are UTC-07:00
Page 8 of 14

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited