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Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:16 pm
by Gresil
$$Wc Move 39A - W: 18, B: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Move 39A - W: 18, B: 17
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:30 pm
by Chew Terr
Trigger for if Gresil's suggestion is accepted by both:
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 12:17 am
by topazg
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:18 am
by Dusk Eagle
$$Wc Move 39A - W: 18, B: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Move 39A - W: 18, B: 17Actually, maybe Gresil's marked stone is valid in that it makes a black play at 'a' sente. So 'a' seems to me to be a double-sente point for both sides.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:49 am
by Violence
What... are you doing, topazg?
It's clearly two points better to extend. It might even be 4 points... argh.
It's really basic to extend when atari'd in this manner, I can't believe Topazg won't spend 2 points to fix it.
No. I can't let that pass. This is way bigger than 4 points, on endgame alone. Not to mention the aji in the area.
I have no idea what topazg is thinking. This is huge!
The endgame at 5 is ginormous! Even if black exchanges 6 for 7 first, 5 still exists. However, if white has a ponnuki there instead, black can play 6 for 7 in sente, and the endgame disappears. I think it's definitely at least 4 points.
$$Bc Move 39A - W: 18, B: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 39A - W: 18, B: 17Therefore...
Can't let you do that... Star Fox!
$$Wc Move 39A - W: 18, B: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Move 39A - W: 18, B: 17
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:56 am
by Dusk Eagle
Violence:
You messed up the diagram. I believe this is what you were going for:
$$Bc Move 39A - W: 18, B: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 39A - W: 18, B: 17 is interesting - I didn't see it before. If I were in topazg's shoes and I didn't see
, I might have approved of Gresil's move even though I would personally have played the descent.
Not for players:
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 11:20 am
by Chew Terr
$$Wc Move 40A - W: 22, B: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Move 40A - W: 22, B: 17I think W should now have 21 or 22 prisoners. I don't think I can check the original thread because it's in GD and GD has a problem with posts that have diagrams. Joaz, could you please update the prisoners in your post?
If we don't play here, black will, and then it's painful for us.
$$Wc Maybe Violence wants something like this
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Maybe Violence wants something like thisRegardless, it seems like we don't have a lot of options in how to resist. I guess the point is, black sacrificing the extra stone gives them one more liberty, which adds that much more aji.
Edit: updated prisoners
Move #40B
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 12:32 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
My teammate makes another pro quality move, while the black team can't agree on exactly which aji keshi move they are going to play...and they give us several stones for the privilege of settling their dispute. I strongly approve.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:50 pm
by topazg
Haha, this game sucks!!
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:58 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:19 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Chew Terr wrote: Joaz, could you please update the prisoners in your post?
To the best of my recollection, the transfer of prisoner counts from GD was correct. I went though this thread and made an index of where more prisoners were awarded.
B, W, Post #
------------
07 11 01
09 11 16
11 11 41
12 11 42
12 13 56
12 15 73
14 15 80
15 15 81
15 17 83
15 18 91
17 18 95
17 22 110
At this point, black has 17 prisoners in their lid, and white has 22 in theirs. Does this count look correct?
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:03 pm
by unkx80
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcI didn't count, but I feel that Violence is overstating the value of the endgame sequence that the little brother probably can't find anyway. I would just play
, because I think white will connect at
anyway. Next,
a is pretty large and reactivates the aji at
b .
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcShould white tenuki after
, then black has two choices. The first is something like this, or probably reverting to Violence's sequence.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcHowever, black can also choose to play like this, which threaten to gorge out white'e eye space just as well. I may prefer this.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 1:34 am
by shapenaji
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 5:30 am
by Magicwand
to: unkx80 and observers.
Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:27 am
by Gresil
$$Wc Move 40A - W: 22, B: 17
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Move 40A - W: 22, B: 17
is interesting - I didn't see it before. If I were in topazg's shoes and I didn't see 
, because I think white will connect at 
anyway. Next, a is pretty large and reactivates the aji at b.
, then black has two choices. The first is something like this, or probably reverting to Violence's sequence.