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Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:44 pm
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . B . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I still don't understand G12. From where I sit, it did magicwand no good at all; it was aji keshi at best. Well, here's what I see for the next few moves:
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[go]$$Wc Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . W 6 . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X 2 3 X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . 1 4 O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 5 . O 7 O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So far so good. From here I can play K15 or L15; not sure which is better. K15 lets black play M14 and cut, but I get two eyes. L15 is the better move if it works...but it's tricky, I'll read that out when we get there. Oh, and J11 will work if the other two don't.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:06 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . W . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$c 4 is sente he will die.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . 4 . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X 1 2 X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . W 3 O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$c same thing here. he will die.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O 3 4 . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X 1 2 X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . W . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 5:12 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c i think it will get complicated. but i still will be ahead.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O 1 . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O 4 W X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O 3 X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 2 5 O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 7 6 . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:56 am
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X B . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . O . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So far, all is going according to plan. :twisted:

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 1:43 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X W X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . O . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 1:55 pm
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . O B O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now I see, does he save his stones, or threaten my stones in the upper right? I can drop some of them if I grab F13. Of course if they all go, I'm in trouble. We'll see.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 3:22 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . W . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:03 pm
by Chew Terr
Not for players until the milk in my fridge expires.

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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . W . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X B . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is D14 going to get cut off and killed?

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:25 pm
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O B . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here's what I expect:
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[go]$$Wc Ko. I have lots of inside threats. Not bad at all.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X 4 O . O B . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O 3 X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O 6 O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O 2 X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 5 1 O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If magicwand wants to avoid the ko:
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[go]$$Wc I like my odds here
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O 3 O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O 2 X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 1 4 O 7 O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 5 9 6 . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 8 . 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And if I want to avoid the ko:
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[go]$$Wc This looks...well...scary.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X 9 X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X 0 X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O 1 3 4 X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X 2 5 X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . O X O X O 7 8 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X 6 X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X B . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Don't see any good way out.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X 9 X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X 0 X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O 1 7 8 X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X 3 6 X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . O X O X O 2 5 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X 4 X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X B . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:50 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X W . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i guess this will be my last battle.
i can ko of try to kill everything. either way looks good but i will have to study more.
as of now i think i can kill everything but i will have to read more on that.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:13 pm
by fwiffo
wms wrote:
If magicwand wants to avoid the ko:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc I like my odds here
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O 3 O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O 2 X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 1 4 O 7 O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 5 9 6 . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 8 . 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc I'm not crazy about black's odds...
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . W . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . 5 . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X 3 4 . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X 1 W . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O 2 X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O O O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O X . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The marked white stones means the squeeze works by my reading. Black loses the liberty race.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:40 pm
by Hummingbird Cyborg
fwiffo wrote:
wms wrote:
If magicwand wants to avoid the ko:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc I like my odds here
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O 3 O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O 2 X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 1 4 O 7 O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 5 9 6 . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 8 . 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc I'm not crazy about black's odds...
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . W . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . 5 . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X 3 4 . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X 1 W . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O 2 X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O O O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O X . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The marked white stones means the squeeze works by my reading. Black loses the liberty race.


I had the same thought without the squeeze. To me, it's just that white can cut.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X 5 . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X 3 4 . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X 1 O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O 2 X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O X O O O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O O X . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What does black do after this?

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:24 pm
by wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O . O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O B X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not sure if w will fight the ko or not. It'll be a big one if he does, and I think that I have more inside threats than him.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:31 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O W O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i dont think i will lose the ko fight but...i will take safer way to win (to kill everything).

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:20 pm
by wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 55 FOREVER!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O B O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Looks like maybe a ko, but...
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc No ko!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O O X X . O . O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . 6 O O . X X O X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O O O X O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X X O X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O B O . O X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 4 1 2 3 O . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . O X . O , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . X X O O . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . X . . X . X O . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So this can't be magicwand's plan. I looked at several sequences involving G15, but none worked out well for magicwand. Some of them let him kill F16 I think, but always at a cost, like losing L12 or something like that. So maybe he'll just play H9 like in my sequence a move or two back, or maybe he sees something I don't.