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98. Araban vs. Magicwand

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Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:59 am
by Magicwand
to Loons:
right now it is not joseki.
joseki means that both players will not lose any point.
this corner look too good for white.
i actually thought about his (unexpected) move before i attach.
and didnt think he would play that because he will lose too much.

as i said many times before if i get greddy and try to live in the corner i would lose 20~30 point in an instant.
i dont think any dan level players will fall into that trap.
"when something dont look right usually there is tesuji hiding to be found." quote from cho namchul 9dan.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:26 am
by Magicwand
for obs:
i had one dilemma i didnt like on this board.
if you see below variation you can see that marked influence will help him build right side.
i can not jump in because of my weak group.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . B . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X . . 2 O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

why did he hanne other way and let me out of that dilemma?
i guess his final exam prep is making him effect his thinking.

i am totally enjoying quality game against strong player like sol.
i wish i can have another game when he is not too busy..

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:50 am
by hyperpape
Magicwand wrote:i am totally enjoying quality game against strong player like sol.
i wish i can have another game when he is not too busy..
I can't quite decide whether to :clap: for bringing out the knives, or to say that this is a bit much. I think it's the latter.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:53 am
by Chew Terr
hyperpape wrote:
Magicwand wrote:i am totally enjoying quality game against strong player like sol.
i wish i can have another game when he is not too busy..
I can't quite decide whether to :clap: for bringing out the knives, or to say that this is a bit much. I think it's the latter.

Oh, I just read it as 'Man, this is fun, let's do it again!' Not sure if it's connected to the prior paragraph or not.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:58 am
by hyperpape
@ Chew
It's just a little brash to say "my opponent must be suffering from his exams--that's why he's missing moves". Not the worst sin in the world, of course.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:05 am
by Chew Terr
hyperpape wrote:@ Chew
It's just a little brash to say "my opponent must be suffering from his exams--that's why he's missing moves". Not the worst sin in the world, of course.

Oh, certainly. However, if we played a game and I made a move that seemed obviously a mistake to you (self-atari/blocking a 3-3 invasion the wrong way, et cetera), then it's more polite to say 'Man, he's such a good player, he must be distracted' than 'Man, maybe he's worse than I thought!'. I agree though, seemed a bit brash. Man, this sort of trick move-y fight leaves me in the dust. =)

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:35 pm
by Solomon
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 9 O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I feel like MW is my dad who just caught my hand in the cookie jar or something. Anyways, I'm going to try and limit myself from playing moves when I'm sleep-deprived. Image

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:00 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X 0 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:03 pm
by Solomon
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . 1 . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Absolutely crucial to play this move. If White plays here his shape is invincible. Yes, invincible.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:13 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i will play solid game.

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:18 pm
by Magicwand
i really dont think that was good move by my opponent.

if i was black i would play on the side as below diag.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . C . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:20 pm
by Solomon
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O 3 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think he should have played here first, before hanging. He has to respond, otherwise his move that gives him good shape will not give him good shape. I don't know the terminologies very well, but I think it's...reverse sente? Something like that (if Bill Spight is reading this he's probably shaking his sad sadly...).

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:23 pm
by topazg
My sealed moves:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 4 . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O 3 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:23 pm
by daniel_the_smith
@Araban
I think a move that's sente for both is called "double sente"...

Re: 98. Araban vs. Magicwand

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:25 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X X , . . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


he gained one point and i gained more than 1 point influence.
why does he not see these moves???
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