Life In 19x19

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:08 pm**

Kirby,

As mentioned earlier, one idea is W should not prematurely do the :w1:

exchange:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W Variation 1 $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . $$ | . . . . X . . . . $$ | . . X X O O . . . $$ | . . O O X 1 . . . $$ | . . O X 2 . . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . $$ | . . X , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]

For example, if there's a big ko later, W can get many threats here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . $$ | . . . . X . . . . $$ | . . X X O O . . . $$ | . . O O X . . . . $$ | . . O X 1 . . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . $$ | . . X , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]

B also does not want :b2:

now:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . . . $$ | . . . X 3 . . . . $$ | . . . 4 X 1 . . . $$ | . . X X O O . . . $$ | . . O O X 2 5 . . $$ | . . O X . . 6 7 . $$ | . . . X . . . . . $$ | . . X , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]

If B makes the empty triangle with :b2:

, W can just take 3-3 with :w3:

-- W can be flexible:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . 3 . . O . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . $$ | . . 2 . X . . . . $$ | . 1 X X O O . . . $$ | . . O O X . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . $$ | . . X , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]

So the important idea is :w1:

in Variation 1 is not urgent for either B or W,
so W should save it.

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:25 pm**

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:50 pm**

Kirby,

Another variation for the :b2:

turn, the ladder is good for W,
so (a) and (b) are miai for W -- again, thanks to W saving the atari at :b6:

,
the

inside hane does not work:

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The

exchange is like the proverb "sacrifice two," similar to this sequence,
W extending once with :w7:

for the atari :w9:

:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W tenuki $$ ----------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . $$ | . . 5 3 . . . . $$ | . . . X . O . . $$ | . 8 4 0 . . . . $$ | . 7 O X 9 . . . $$ | . . 2 1 . . . . $$ | . . X . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . .[/go]

If W does not make the :wc:

exchange now, later if B has the chance,
B can fix the aji here with :b1:

; then, as mentioned before, if W turns (c), B will not make
the empty triangle (e) but block at (d):

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So the

exchange is good for W and W wants to do it now.

Loons,

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:30 am**

EdLee wrote:Kirby,
As mentioned earlier, one idea is W should not prematurely do the exchange:
$$W Variation 1
$$ -------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . O . . .
$$ | . . . X . . . . .
$$ | . . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . X X O O . . .
$$ | . . O O X 1 . . .
$$ | . . W X 2 . . . .
$$ | . . . X . . . . .
$$ | . . X , . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . .

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W Variation 1 $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . O . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . $$ | . . . . X . . . . $$ | . . X X O O . . . $$ | . . O O X 1 . . . $$ | . . W X 2 . . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . . $$ | . . X , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]
...

The variations that do not include the :w1:

exchange are different than what Joaz described, since he included the :w1:

exchange in his explanation. So I think the point remains that, if he wants to play the :w1:

exchange, there wasn't value added in playing the marked white move.

If the :w1:

exchange were not in the plan of play, then perhaps there is merit to playing the marked white stone. But with the plan that was described in the original move, it seems to make more sense to me to simply start off with the atari instead of playing inside first.

With the game as it has progressed now, I would prefer not to have made the exchange, as the exchange has done more for black than it has for white. In other words, I would prefer this board position for white:

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However, I will agree that, if the exchange had not taken place, bending inside might be a feasible choice.

But my original comment on this position stated my disagreement with Joaz's choice under the conditions that he made the exchange that he did in the game (I said, "If he wants a diagram like this...").

The only provided diagram that is relevant to this scenario seems to be this one:

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But it seems to me that white could just as easily do this without the exchange:

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So I guess I would say that playing the exchange might be a feasible possibility, but it is not a good choice if you are planning on playing the atari:

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This is the basis of the complaint I had originally - if Joaz planned to play this way, why make the exchange?

If white could live after this exchange, then I could see the merit of having this plan for Joaz. But as it stands, now that the atari has been played, the three stones seem pretty useless, and black has been given the opportunity to wall off territory through the exchange.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:20 am**

I suppose that another consideration is whether or not the following diagram is one that black would respond to:

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If the exchange in question leads to a different choice of whether or not black will tenuki - that is, if the exchange determines a sente situation for white - it might be another reason to play it.

I'm not totally sure if this is the case ATM, but this is something that I didn't consider before.

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:25 am**

So I may need some more time to think. On top of that, today is my wife's birthday, so it won't do to analyze go all day. I hope to post a move by Thursday.

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:28 am**

No problem, got a ton to do, anyways. Hope your reading doesn't dig up anything TOO drastic. =)

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:25 am**

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Trigger:

To observers:

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:55 am**

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Decided to go with this response instead. It's a slight concession, points-wise, but I feel it better handles aji around the 3-3. Joaz, would you still like the same 33? If so...
Trigger:

If you want to capture:
Trigger:

Viewers:

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:02 pm**

I accept the second trigger.

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Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:05 pm**

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Same reasoning as in trigger #1.

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:15 pm**

To observers:

I expected this:

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The possible juncture between growing moyos seemed natural.

I must think some more.

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:48 pm**

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Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:58 pm**

for obs only:

IMO

is correct and :w37:

is wrong.
white is already losing by enough margin so can not affort to let one stone on the side die with no reason.
and if he try to save it, his top and bottom will suffer.

i can not say what the correct respose is but i know they appears to be wrong.
maybe marked point???

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Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:07 pm**

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Not too afraid of this move by my opponent. First, it makes me fix my shape, which is awfully neighborly of him. Additionally, it hurts R10. While I intend to reduce my opponent soon, if R10 dies in a natural and large way, I won't have to do very much. You'll notice that on my previous count, I gave myself very few points on the right side. If I capture R10, I'll suddenly have a lot more.

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This is a very vague idea of what I'm plotting.

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