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Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:48 pm
by EdLee
Aphelion wrote:Man, white has made up a ton of lost ground in less than 10 moves...
Because B was helping W. :mrgreen:

Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:59 pm
by Loons
What an extremely exciting situation. :b41: was a beautiful move. White must work so hard to get some kind of result.

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:59 pm
by EdLee
Another idea for :w40: :):
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It doesn't seem too easy for B to escape; W has lots of friends waiting:
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:02 pm
by EdLee
Loons wrote: :b41: was a beautiful move.
Perhaps W should've taken :b41: for himself first. :)

Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:33 am
by Simba
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[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Super thrilled with him taking 41 where he did - he's really let me off the hook easily. If black pushed upwards to where my 42 is, it was really nasty (I spent about an hour reading this variation and trying to counter it - the best I could do was really not very good). The hane after black at 42 leads to a beautiful empty triangle at J16 and my position is in big trouble. So I'd have to extend, and it's not very nice for white... Very happy I've managed to get this 42.

Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:17 am
by Jordus
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[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I think this point becomes crucial to preventing moyos... blocking a continued extension will help me in the long rung so I am not fighting against two sides of huge group.
I fully expect white to try to fight with (a)... at which point I create a wall with (b)

White may also try to extend with (d), (e), or (f), however I think the attention of the recent local playing will distract white from playing those, leaving (a) or (c)... If I made them feel pressured enough, (a) will become their obvious play...


then again I could be delirious from lack of sleep... it's 3:15am... and my actual analysis of the situation may be far from the Sherlock Holmes like analysis I think I made...

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Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:09 am
by Simba
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[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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I feel this is an important point, as if I don't play here, black has Q14 then the follow-up at M15, quite big. I looked into playing M15, but after this, I'm in trouble after black double-peeps with L16. The score looks to be around 61 for black, 55 for white before my move. I have 6.5 komi, so that puts me half a point in the lead. Hopefully I can keep it :P !

Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:42 am
by Aphelion
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[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm curious about this probe here. The in game move feels a little easy on White but I can't think of any light way to handle it. What do you guys think?

Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:26 pm
by Jordus
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[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here I am protecting the cut at (a) while still extending out as a threat to cut into whites possible moyo territory (b)...
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[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X . X . . b . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O . . X . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:51 pm
by Simba
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . O . . O O . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O . . X . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If black gets this (or around here), it's pretty huge, so I need to take it now. Indeed I should've played this on my last move I think. I've looked at various ways to defend this as black, and none look particularly terrible for me, so I guess that this point is pretty much the best in the area. I hope, anyway :P ...

Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:58 pm
by Aphelion
:shock:

Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:04 pm
by Jordus
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[go]$$Bcm47 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . O . . O O . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O . . X . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My goal isnt to make moyo.. just protect what I have now and destroy his moyo....
I expect him to run out at (b) or up at (a).. either way I will be happy.. I get to start a wall running along at (c) or anchor my group in his moyo at the top with (d)
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[go]$$Bcm47 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . O O . d . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . O . b . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . 1 . c . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O . . X . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:59 am
by Simba
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[go]$$Bcm47 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . O . . X . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks decent for now. I was looking at doing something spectacular and attaching at F7, but I read that move a lot and couldn't find a way of making it work very well :( . I imagine black will chase across with one point jumps, but his moyo/territory is still wide open when he does this.

Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:57 am
by Jordus
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[go]$$Bcm47 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . X . X . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:17 pm
by Jordus
The game has been permanently suspended by mutual agreement due to the amount of time since the game has been played. Any further comments can be made without hide tags.
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