Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Post by Magicwand »

for obs only:
i only can think of one possible variation for black... see below.

i dont see him jumpin in my influence and surive.
from my assessment of my opponent..he if not willing to take any risk which is his weakness.
i am curious to see how he will handle my influence.
if he doesnt effectively diminish my influence he will lose for sure.
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[go]$$Bcm61 PRISONERS B:1 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O 8 . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O 7 . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Post by Tryphon »

From what I see, B can invade the two left corners. Won't it be sufficient for him to win ?
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 PRISONERS B:1 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O 7 . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems slow but not playing it would be greedy. The center is also erased (remember he has forcing moves there). He takes top I take bottom and vice versa so miai. I just have to maintain my lead.
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 PRISONERS B:1 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O 8 . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Post by EdLee »

Magicwand wrote:if he doesnt effectively diminish my influence he will lose for sure.
yithril wrote:I just have to maintain my lead.
Both think they're ahead. :mrgreen:
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 PRISONERS B:1 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This move is too weird for me to have made it up, I assure you :P There are a few pro games with it (Cho Chikun for example). If I live at the top (and I should or at least make points in the center), then I win.

Also I'll show you the variations AFTER it's all said and done :P

Magicwand will probably diss me for it, oh well.
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Post by EdLee »

yithril,
yithril wrote:This move is too weird for me to have made it up, I assure you :P
:b69: is pretty annoying. :twisted:
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Post by Joaz Banbeck »

For obs:
Magicwand wrote:...i will comment when it is time for me to comment. i will hide my reading that my opponent is missing until he realize it and too late to fix it :) . observers.. please be patient and understand.

yithril wrote:... I'll show you the variations AFTER it's all said and done...


WTF?? Are they both taking for granted that the other guy is going to peek?
Doesn't anyone trust anybody else around here any more?
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 PRISONERS B:1 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


not what i expected...but it seems like a good move...
but i got tricks of my own that he hasnt seen yet :)
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 PRISONERS B:1 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 PRISONERS B:1 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 2 . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Post by joppon »

This would be my inclination. I see nothing wrong.
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[go]$$Bcm71 PRISONERS B:1 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Post by hyperpape »

@joppon
I think that :w72: would make the cut more dangerous after some preliminaries around a/b. I'm not sure--having trouble reading things out in detail.

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[go]$$Bcm71 PRISONERS B:1 W:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . 2 b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . a X . 5 O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , 4 3 X . X , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . , . O O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . O O O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Post by jts »

@magicwand:
What are your goals on the top? What do you have to have, coming out of this sequence, to win?
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Re: Magic Wand vs. Yithril

Post by Magicwand »

jts wrote:@magicwand:
What are your goals on the top? What do you have to have, coming out of this sequence, to win?

it seems that the group on top is very hard to kill (i didnt think his last move was correct i would have played one more space)
all i am intrested in is thickness in the middle and sente.
i think my thickness will speak for itself later. black has possible territory but not solid yet.
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