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Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:18 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 3 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:28 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . 4 X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Why wait?

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:32 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . 5 X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

timing of ko is very important. my ko on right was wrong timing but...that is how you win handycapped game.
his ko timing is also incorrect IMO. what ko threat does he have that will give him good result???
edit
after winning my ko i can kill his group with "a" so basically his only ko threat will be.... "c" which i can refuse and get sente to play "a"
every white groups are solid and strong.. my guess is that after this ko fight he will resign.
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O . O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . O X X O c O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:34 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . 7 O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 9 6 O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | 8 5 X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O C O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | C O X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's see if I can get some local benefit from this ko.

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:20 am
by Magicwand
My 91 will be c8 instead of taking go
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-2 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O C O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X O X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:15 pm
by Kirby
Ok.

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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-3 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O 2 O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:28 pm
by Magicwand
R17
i already gained enough. This is more than enough.

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:32 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-3 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X 4 . . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O 2 O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X 5 X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let me know if you disagree.

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:12 pm
by Magicwand
C9 and if you take ko i play s16 as ko threat

i think i updated prisoner count...but double check on it.
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X X 9 . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O 8 O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:54 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X X O . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | 0 O O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | C X O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Man, I do not know what to do. I think I've probably gotten a few stones weaker from lack of study. But I do not want to delay the game further. I've made MW wait long enough.

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:27 am
by Magicwand
changed black prisoner to 5.
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-5 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X X O . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i probably get sente out of top right and it should seal my win.

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:40 am
by Kirby
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-5 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X X O . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:23 pm
by Magicwand
P18

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:52 pm
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-5 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X X O . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . O X X . . . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O X X O . X . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . O O O . . . O . X . . |
$$ | X . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 136. Magicwand vs. Kirby - Fire, Strike, 2 stones again!

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:24 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-5 W-3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 5 . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X X X X O . |
$$ | . O . X . X . . . . O X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . O X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . X O . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X O X . . . . X . X O . |
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