[go]$$Bcm51 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
At some point here I seem to have lost -_-. I guess that was just a little inevitable. I'll try to incite a fight; maybe I will be lucky.
Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:30 am
by pancake
Ah, he can still make something on the left. I think this game will be pretty hopeless for me from now on, have to win it on good endgame, if it comes to that. Anyway, if I don't jump out here, the game is over even sooner, so the move is obvious.
$$Bcm51 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . W . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bcm51 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . W . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:29 am
by Chew Terr
If both players claim to have lost, can I take the win? =P
Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:58 am
by Jedo
Ha, this is the exact opposite of a Magicwand/Violence game
Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:39 pm
by Magicwand
Jedo wrote:
Ha, this is the exact opposite of a Magicwand/Violence game
since i am unbiased here... as of now the game is very close... if i had to choose.....i will take black. but i wont feel comfortable taking either black or white.
Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:00 pm
by jts
Jedo wrote:
Ha, this is the exact opposite of a Magicwand/Violence game
I thought the exact same thing.
Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:24 pm
by konfuzed
Jedo wrote:
Ha, this is the exact opposite of a Magicwand/Violence game
Hah, I'm so glad I'm not the only one thinking that. I think Malkovich games where the players have sharply conflicting interpretations of the board are the most fun to watch.
Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:38 pm
by Loons
$$Bcm53 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . W . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
I'm not really planning to play 55 at L13, really. The scenario, as I see it: 1) I find something on the right that enables me to use my influence or 2) I find a good place to resign
His last move is clearly in the wrong direction, I don't see where he is going to make territory with this attack. With his initial attack I thought he was going to make a center moyo, but now I don't know. I think White should walk into Black's potential, and then later connect to his right group. If Black had attacked from the left, White would just connect on dame.
Re: 138. Pancake 4d vs Loons 1d
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:35 am
by Magicwand
if white attache as below...it is very hard to kill.
$$Bcm53 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . 2 X . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . W . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bcm55 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . 1 . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . W . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
I give white's move a 9/10 for thickness, but only a 6/10 for connectiness (connectivity?). So the plan is to make white's group run to over there, hopefully while actually getting a few points.
$$Bcm55 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . 1 . . . X . . | $$ | . . a , . . . . . , . O . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . y . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . W . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . p O m O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . o n l . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . b . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ { AR L9 G4}
[go]$$Bcm55 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . 1 . . . X . . | $$ | . . a , . . . . . , . O . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . y . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . W . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . p O m O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . o n l . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . b . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ { AR L9 G4}[/go]
My choice boiled down (somewhat arbitrarily, maybe ) to or 'y' to cut. seemed to leave a narrower path, though it may pay a few points in reduction on top due to white's solidity (attacking with a contact play -_-). Aesthetically, K11 is now a play at the centre of 3.
I'd like lmnop aji to be useful. I think a is the correct local move over there. I'm never going to find time to play b.
I did consider at... M11 but felt unsatisfied after N11 L11 N12 as well as M13 and M14 both of which felt too passive to actually win the game.
Edit: Actually, I wonder if I can just let him connect the normal way, though it may leave my moyo too fluffy (getting a bit late in the game to have a moyo...)
$$Bcm55 Still not sure on 59 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . 2 1 . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . 3 . . 4 . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . W . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+
[go]$$Bcm57 black: 1 white: 0 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . O . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . W X . . . X . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O 1 . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . . X . . . O . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . O X . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Eh, backing off (eg K13) may be a sounder option, but I feel like I need to play very actively to win. Also, gotta avoid making that broken large knight's move .
) to 
or 'y' to cut.