[go]$$Bcm69 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now he is trying to break free, which is natural when being enclosed,
My reply is a hane, responding to the attachment
I could nobi (which is good shape also) and let him run around just cause im confident i can still keep him from making eyes. I know I got stones everywhere on this side of the board but i just dont want a wild group running around inside my moyo
He might go for the cut but im not worried about that either because i'm strong on this side
Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:54 pm
by Nathan
$$Wcm70 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i think this is the correct side to block on, and now my mission is to make sure this group doesn't make life, so far he has 2 potential eyes...
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:37 pm
by EdLee
1986 wrote:he has 2 potential eyes...
(a) and (b) are miai, so locally W is dead...
$$W $$ . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ . . . . . B X O a X X . | $$ . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ . . O . . O X O O O b . | $$ . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ . X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$--------------------------
[go]$$W $$ . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ . . . . . B X O a X X . | $$ . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ . . O . . O X O O O b . | $$ . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ . X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$--------------------------[/go]
$$W $$ . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ . . . . . . . . 4 X O O | $$ . . . . . B X O 1 X X . | $$ . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ . . O . . O X O O O 2 . | $$ . . O X X X X O X O 3 O | $$ O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ . X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$--------------------------
[go]$$W $$ . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ . . . . . . . . 4 X O O | $$ . . . . . B X O 1 X X . | $$ . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ . . O . . O X O O O 2 . | $$ . . O X X X X O X O 3 O | $$ O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ . X . . . . . . . . X . | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$--------------------------[/go]
...so let's see how B handles this:
$$W $$ . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ . . . . . B X O . X X . | $$ . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ . . O . . O X O O O . . | $$ . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ . X . . . . 3 4 . 2 X 1 | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$--------------------------
[go]$$W $$ . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ . . . . . B X O . X X . | $$ . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ . . O . . O X O O O . . | $$ . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ . X . . . . 3 4 . 2 X 1 | $$ . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$--------------------------[/go]
Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:39 pm
by Nathan
$$Bcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X 2 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . b a X 2 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
after that I will read my options with o3
but probably something like below is the goal
edit.. This does not account for the fact that if he plays t8 I have to respond meaning he can ignore r7. So dont think its gonna work. Ill keep thinkin
$$Bcm71 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O 6 X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . 4 5 . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O 9 X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O 8 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 3 X 2 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm73 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 1 X O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i was expecting him to take first but its ok, now this group just gained a liberty, and the dumpling still doesn't have eyes. my plan still is to keep this goup from living, as long as i take my time its a reachable goal...
Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:23 pm
by Nathan
$$Wcm74 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O 1 X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm75 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O 1 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
thats a nice way to take the stone becuse it threatens to cut, which i will protect as soon as i rob this eye in sente, if he ignores i cut/atari and cause some trouble
im thinking he blocks the cut/atari then i protect the cut , after that is his move
Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:47 pm
by Nathan
I resign
Thanks for the game!! Im excited to go through the comments.
Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:17 pm
by 1986
Good Game Thank you
i cant wait to read the comments either its the best part of the game !
game comments:
i think i just had a fatser fuseki, and i was all over the board early in the game
starting with move 24 i dont think that was the right direction, maybe a hane instead and try to break out with the group you already had,
just because that whole fight after 24 was unproductive, i dont think you had enough space to play sabaki, make life and do some damage
but the opening makes the game hard to deal with for white
continue to walk the path of Go my brother and i will see u at the top
let me know when u are ready for a rematch
now its time to focus on getting stronger
Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:51 pm
by 1986
one thing i learned from going back to read the comments is i need to do way more varaitions, even though there is no quick way to do diagram variations and going past 10 moves is a pain and it takes a while to do, its just good to show variations, because the comments and feed back you get on your reading show u your flaws in your reading and thats something i need more of
i love seing the moves i missed
Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:16 am
by ez4u
After (marked), how does Black answer below?
$$Wc Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . B . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . 1 . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------