Boidhre wrote:Of course, mostly likely most of these will drop the game again
When I was at a go game evening event for the first time, its organizer said that he had introduced the game to several hundred people, and only about one of fifteen picked up the game for a longer time. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that you'll find at least one person to play with in the long run.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:37 am
by Boidhre
karaklis wrote:
Boidhre wrote:Of course, mostly likely most of these will drop the game again
When I was at a go game evening event for the first time, its organizer said that he had introduced the game to several hundred people, and only about one of fifteen picked up the game for a longer time. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that you'll find at least one person to play with in the long run.
Yeah, I've hopes that one or two of the people that I introduce take it up. Well, one of my friends used to be a 2k, so all I did there was convince him to come back rather than actually introduce him to the game, he's now off pricing go sets so... Not that he needed much convincing!
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:35 am
by Boidhre
I lose so much of the time (my friends in the game are all stronger players for the most part), I feel lost so often while playing but oh but how much fun this is! I can see why people play it for decades.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:18 pm
by Boidhre
Playing poorly at the moment, got crushed again. Not sure what it is, fairly tired with the kids and all so maybe that's affecting me. I'm enjoying Shape Up! and it's taking time for me to assimilate it, I think I'm playing the shapes at the wrong time and misjudging things which could be another factor in my poor play. I'm dipping into Tesuji also, again, fascinating, thanks for the recommendation Bill! Maybe I'm overranked at 15k though? Go seems alien and mysterious at the moment to me but that is to be expected I think as I learn more about the game. I feel like I'm overthinking moves for my level at present. That said, it's bloody fascinating as games go! In good news, there's a tournament next month that I'm heading to for definite. It should be a lot of fun to meet other go players in Ireland. The local go club is suiting me very well and I've made some new friends through it which is always a nice thing. I'm trying to play fast games to force me out of my comfort zone and learn to read faster.
Anyway, here's an embarrassing game, I don't expect any reviews as it was a short time limit game. I'm posting it more to keep me honest about my poor games as anything else.
Same opponent as Eigghead had in the Squeaker game.
As you can see, my sleep pattern has shifted by 6 hours again.
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:13 am
by EdLee
Basic shapes. Atari.
Don't play when your brain is groggy; or, play just to relax, knowing it'll be a bad game.
(;CA[utf-8]GM[1]FF[4]RU[Japanese]ST[2]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]SZ[19]OT[5x20 byo-yomi] GN[JP2gen-Boidhre]DT[2012-04-26]PC[KGS]PB[Boidhre]BR[15k]PW[JP2gen]WR[15k]KM[6.5] TM[600.0]RE[W+58.5]MULTIGOGM[0] ;B[pd]BL[597.6];W[dp]WL[596.9];B[dc]BL[593.4];W[pp]WL[587.9];B[ce]BL[590.3];W[jc] WL[580.7];B[qn]BL[585.1];W[ql]WL[573.3];B[nq]BL[577.1];W[qq]WL[566.7];B[oo]BL[568.6] ;W[po]WL[554.7];B[pn]BL[567.2];W[on]WL[553.2];B[nn]BL[564.3]LB[qn:a]C[This atari just helps to kill your own (a) faster. Even if you want to give up (a), there is no reason to help your opponent kill yourself faster here.] ;W[om]WL[551.2];B[op]BL[554.1];W[pl]WL[541.9];B[nm]BL[531.2]LB[nl:a]C[Bad. W (a) -- hane head of two stones. You hit yourself on the head.] (;W[jq]WL[534.4]C[See var.];B[cn]BL[519.8];W[fq]WL[524.6] (;B[gd]BL[508.5]C[See vars.];W[nc]WL[520];B[qf]BL[503.7];W[pb]WL[517];B[qc]BL[502.1] ;W[cl]WL[514.2];B[cq]BL[499.7];W[cp]WL[511.8];B[dq]BL[497.5];W[bq]WL[504];B[br] BL[495.1];W[bp]WL[502.1];B[eq]BL[485.3];W[ep]WL[499.8];B[fr]BL[483.5];W[gq]WL[492.4] ;B[gr]BL[479.1];W[el]WL[484.7] (;B[ln]BL[456]LB[nl:a]C[Locally the shape is extend (a), but see var.];W[jo]WL[481.1] ;B[jm]BL[450.4];W[hn]WL[478.2];B[ll]BL[446.1];W[pi]WL[463]LB[ln:a][jm:b][ll:c]C[Get a feeling that a, b, c are super slow and over-concentrated.] ;B[qh]BL[443.1];W[qi]WL[461.1];B[dk]BL[428.4];W[dl]WL[454.2];B[dh]BL[424.8];W[ci] WL[443.6];B[di]BL[408.9];W[cj]WL[437.8];B[ck]BL[394.4];W[bk]WL[435.6];B[dj]BL[383.7] ;W[ch]WL[427.3];B[cg]BL[381.2];W[bj]WL[421];B[hj]BL[350.9];W[fj]WL[418.1];B[fi] BL[343.9];W[gj]WL[413.5];B[gi]BL[340.8];W[je]WL[411.3];B[ih]BL[326];W[hf]WL[402.9] ;B[ie]BL[312.1];W[if]WL[396.3];B[jf]BL[310.5];W[hd]WL[381.8];B[he]BL[297.3];W[ge] WL[375.9];B[id]BL[291.2];W[hc]WL[371.9];B[jd]BL[286.5];W[kd]WL[364];B[ke]BL[285.2] ;W[ic]WL[362.2];B[je]BL[284];W[fd]WL[361.1];B[gf]BL[273.1];W[gc]WL[354.8];B[fe] BL[266.8];W[gd]WL[352.4];B[ff]BL[264.1];W[ld]WL[348.6];B[qb]BL[241.6] (;W[ob]WL[345.4]C[Wrong shape. See var.];B[nk]BL[232.6]LB[ln:a][jm:b][ll:c][nk:d] C[Locally, your mind seems to be stuck at very slow, very over-centrated moves here.] ;W[mh]WL[328];B[ni]BL[217];W[mf]WL[321.9];B[ng]BL[204.5];W[mg]WL[314.5];B[nh]BL[181.7] ;W[ne]WL[311.8];B[lj]BL[175.7];W[kh]WL[298.9];B[jh]BL[160.2];W[ki]WL[293.4];B[kj] BL[150.6];W[ji]WL[290.6]TR[jh][kj]SQ[ji][ki]C[Broken shape.];B[ii]BL[143.8] (;W[mo]WL[278.3]C[See var.];B[lo]BL[127.6];W[mp]WL[270.6];B[lp]BL[118.6];W[mq]WL[263.8] TR[lp][nq]SQ[mq][mp]C[Broken shape.];B[lq]BL[109.7];W[nr]WL[250.1];B[no]BL[103.5] ;W[oq]WL[244.6];B[np]BL[100] (;W[or]WL[240.8]C[See var.] (;B[hm]BL[77.6]C[See var.];W[gm]WL[236.8];B[hl]BL[74.5];W[jj]WL[232.1];B[jk]BL[69.8] ;W[kr]WL[218.6] (;B[lr]BL[67.1]C[What are you doing. End of notes.];W[mr]WL[216.2];B[ls]BL[63.4] ;W[hq]WL[208.2];B[in]BL[40.9];W[ho]WL[205.4];B[io]BL[39.1];W[ip]WL[204];B[gl]BL[34.3] ;W[fm]WL[194.4];B[fk]BL[27.9];W[ij]WL[186.3];B[ik]BL[19.1];W[hg]WL[178.9];B[hh] BL[6.8];W[gg]WL[169.6];B[fg]BL[2.3];W[dd]WL[149.7];OB[5]B[cd]BL[20];W[ec]WL[147.2] ;OB[5]B[db]BL[20];W[eb]WL[145.7];OB[5]B[ea]BL[20];W[fa]WL[136.8];OB[5]B[da]BL[20] ;W[fb]WL[132.8];OB[5]B[bc]BL[20];W[rb]WL[130.3];OB[5]B[qa]BL[20];W[og]WL[127.6] ;OB[5]B[oh]BL[20];W[ph]WL[124.2];OB[5]B[pg]BL[20];W[of]WL[122];OB[5]B[nf]BL[20] ;W[pf]WL[113.3];OB[5]B[qg]BL[20];W[oe]WL[104.7];OB[5]B[lh]BL[20];W[lg]WL[95.4];OB[5] B[li]BL[20];W[kg]WL[93.7];OB[5]B[jg]BL[20];W[mi]WL[65];OB[5]B[mj]BL[20];W[ri]WL[61.3] ;OB[5]B[rh]BL[20];W[si]WL[58.6];OB[5]B[sh]BL[20];W[qe]WL[54.6];OB[5]B[re]BL[20] ;W[pe]WL[47.4];OB[5]B[rd]BL[20];W[qd]WL[45];OB[5]B[pc]BL[20];W[rc]WL[31.6];OB[5] B[sc]BL[20];W[sd]WL[20.2];OB[5]B[sf]BL[20];OW[5]W[rg]WL[20];OB[5]B[rf]BL[20];OW[5] W[sb]WL[20];OB[5]B[ra]BL[20];OW[5]W[se]WL[20];OB[5]B[sc]BL[20];OW[5]W[sd]WL[20] ;OB[5]B[sa]BL[20];OW[5]W[le]WL[20];OB[5]B[pj]BL[20];OW[5]W[oi]WL[20];OB[5]B[nj] BL[20];OW[5]W[oj]WL[20];OB[5]B[ol]BL[20];OW[5]W[pm]WL[20];OB[5]B[ok]BL[20];OW[5] W[pk]WL[20];OB[5]B[bh]BL[20];OW[5]W[de]WL[20];OB[5]B[df]BL[20];OW[5]W[kf]WL[20] ;OB[5]B[gh]BL[20];OW[5]W[gk]WL[20];OB[5]B[hk]BL[20];OW[5]W[ek]WL[20];OB[5]B[ej] BL[20];OW[5]W[bi]WL[20];OB[5]B[ah]BL[20];OW[5]W[hr]WL[20];OB[5]B[es]BL[20];OW[5] W[ks]WL[20];OB[5]B[kq]BL[20];OW[5]W[jr]WL[20];OB[5]B[ai]BL[20];OW[5]W[bg]WL[20] ;OB[5]B[bf]BL[20];OW[5]W[aj]WL[20];OB[5]B[ag]BL[20];OW[5]W[bl]WL[20];OB[5]B[jn] BL[20];OW[5]W[ko]WL[20];OB[5]B[kn]BL[20];OW[5]W[jp]WL[20];OB[5]B[ee]BL[20];OW[5] W[ed]WL[20];OB[5]B[od]BL[20];OW[5]W[nd]WL[20];OB[5]B[sc]BL[20];OW[5]W[gs]WL[20] ;OB[5]B[fs]BL[20];OW[5]W[hs]WL[20];OB[5]B[aq]BL[20];OW[5]W[ar]WL[20];OB[5]B[as] BL[20];OW[5]W[ap]WL[20];OB[5]B[cr]BL[20];OW[5]W[ds]WL[20];OB[5]B[er]BL[20];OW[5] W[cs]WL[20];OB[5]B[fl]BL[20];OW[5]W[em]WL[20];OB[5]B[ms]BL[20];OW[5]W[mn]WL[20] ;OB[5]B[mm]BL[20];OW[5]W[ns]WL[20];OB[5]B[oc]BL[20];OW[5]W[nb]WL[20];OB[5]B[pa] BL[20];OW[5]W[oa]WL[20];OB[4]B[]BL[20];OW[5]W[]WL[20]TB[sb][gk][aa][ba][rb][cc] [bd][sd][cf][ef][hf][bg][dg][gg][rg][fh][hi][fj][kk][lk][il][jl][ml][lm]TW[js][os] [ga][gb][fc][es][md][lf][pj][ak][qk][rl][bm][qm][en][pn][fp][aq][cq][iq][pq][br] [fr][gr][qr][kc]) (;B[mr])) (;B[mr])) (;W[lr]TR[lq][lp][nq][np]SQ[lr][nr][mq][mp][mo]C[Broken shape.])) (;W[jj]TR[kj][ii]SQ[ji][jj]C[Broken shape.])) (;W[oc]C[Locally, the correct shape is here.])) (;B[hq];W[hp];B[ip]LB[gr:a]C[Double hane. This is the meaning of (a).])) (;B[lc]) (;B[bp])) (;W[nl]C[You hit yourself on the head.]))
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:59 am
by Boidhre
Thanks Ed. I agree, I don't think I should be playing when tired.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:28 am
by Ciaran
Hi folks! I would like to add a thing I noticed in your game. At move #162, instead of connecting at M11, you should have cut at L13 then capturing some white stones due to the shortage of liberties.
K.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:40 am
by Boidhre
Ciaran wrote:Hi folks! I would like to add a thing I noticed in your game. At move #162, instead of connecting at M11, you should have cut at L13 then capturing some white stones due to the shortage of liberties.
K.
Thank you, yes this tesuji was pointed out to me afterwards by a friend taking a look at the game.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:28 pm
by Boidhre
Mostly posting for the benefit of people who go through similar things. Haven't been playing much, two ranked online games in the past week. My psychologist thinks I might be going back into a depression and we're going from monthly to weekly appointments and I'm meeting my psychiatrist 2 months early (her idea not mine). I'm having confidence issues about playing, I feel I'll play very badly so I don't play which isn't a great way of looking at things really, though when I do play I just prove the point to myself that my concentration is very poor at the moment. Though honestly, the real thing holding me back is making the decision to seek out a game, I find any kind of decision hard to make at the moment. The best way I can describe it is like playing through a mental fog, it's like your thinking about go (and any other mental activity) is partially obscured from you, though I'm explaining it really badly here). I just came out of a depression in March so really I could do without another bout of it so soon.
Fortunately, I've been getting CBT and ACT along with medication so I'm a bit better prepared this time around so the plan is (these strategies will be applied across my life, I'm just posting go related ones here):
Start some new accounts so I can remove one potential worry from my list of reasons not to play (who would want very embarrassing play attached to their name so to speak?). Commit to playing a game a day, not to improve necessarily but to challenge the thought processes making me not play. This would be the behavioural element of CBT. I need to show myself through exposure that playing badly isn't the end of the world and that I do not need to drop a hobby simply because I'm in a low. Meditate on the feelings I get when I feel anxious/whatever about playing. From ACT/Mindfulness approaches to dealing with depression. Challenge the thoughts I get in response to the feelings. The cognitive element of CBT. When I (and most people) get low our thinking gets distorted and our interpretation of the world and stimuli both external and internal get messed up. Continue going to the go club and playing games there. Hiding away from social contact would just make things worse right now.
I realise that this isn't really what this forum is about but I hope some person finds the above useful at some point. The key idea here to stop myself going into a deep depression by preventing the behavioural changes that come with the beginnings of one. I can't do much for my sleep without taking strong sedatives which isn't nice for me so I'm just going to accept my sleep as messed up for the moment and get on with the rest of things.
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:59 pm
by EdLee
Boidhre,
Boidhre wrote:The best way I can describe it is like playing through a mental fog, it's like your thinking about go (and any other mental activity) is partially obscured from you, though I'm explaining it really badly here).
You're explaining it appropriately. That's how it feels when the brain is groggy. When you feel groggy, you can still play to relax, knowing it might be a terrible game anyway.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:54 am
by mus
i wish you all the very best my friend~
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:27 am
by Boidhre
A casual game between me versus a friend (3k KGS) at home (no go club today because too many people were busy so we decided to meet up and have a game anyway):
I miss a lot of things on a real board. Like N18, P13 at the end.
(;CA[Windows-1252]FF[4]RU[Japanese Rules]AB[dd][jd][pd][dj][jj][pj][dp][jp][pp] PL[W]AP[SmartGo:2.8.3.0]SZ[19]GM[1]GN[2012-04-29a]DT[2012-04-29]PB[Padraig]PW[Anthony] KM[0.5]HA[9]RE[W+24]MULTIGOGM[0] ;W[dm];B[fp];W[cg];B[fc];W[eg] (;B[em]C[Non-contact is better. See vars.];W[hq];B[gq]LB[hp:a]C[(a) is the local shared vital point of this shape.] (;W[en]C[See var.] (;B[fm]C[See also var.];W[dl];B[fk];W[hp];B[hn];W[do];B[cp];W[jq];B[kq];W[kp];B[jo] ;W[go] (;B[lp]C[Big, but missed something. See var.];W[gn]C[You let W connect in sente.] ;B[gm];W[hm];B[in];W[hl] (;B[fn]C[Bad. You reduce your own libs. See var.];W[fo];B[gk]TR[fn][fp]SQ[fo][go] C[Note your previous move (28) just reduced your own libs and made a broken shape for yourself, in gote.] ;W[jl];B[km];W[kl];B[lm];W[ij];B[ji];W[hj] (;B[lj]C[Wrong direction. See var.];W[fi];B[il];W[im];B[ik];W[hk];B[jk];W[jm]SQ[ij] [hj][hk][hl][hm][im][jm][jl][kl]C[Your shape (B) is very broken here.];B[ig];W[jn] ;B[io];W[kn];B[ko];W[ln]TR[lm][ko][km]SQ[kn][ln][jn]C[More broken shape.];B[jr] ;W[nq];B[np];W[qn];B[qo];W[qq];B[pq];W[qc];B[pc];W[qd];B[qe];W[re];B[rf];W[pb];B[ob] (;W[pe]C[See var.] (;B[qb]C[Impossible. See var.];W[qf]TR[pd][pc][rf]SQ[qf][pe][qd][qc][re]C[You need to understand this is like a bomb going off. B is completely shattered here. Completely broken. End of notes.] ;B[pa];W[nc];B[rc];W[rd];B[sc];W[lc];B[se];W[rg];B[sf];W[hc];B[sd];W[he];B[qe];W[cc] ;B[dc];W[cd];B[ce];W[be];B[bf];W[cf];B[de];W[bd];B[cb];W[bb];B[db];W[fe];B[gb];W[hb] ;B[ba];W[ab];B[ea];W[ro];B[qp];W[rp];B[rq];W[qr];B[rr];W[nj];B[ll];W[kk];B[kj];W[lk] ;B[nl];W[mk];B[nn];W[ng];B[lg];W[jf];B[if];W[ie];B[je];W[kf];B[le];W[gc];B[fb];W[lf] ;B[mf];W[jg];B[jh];W[mg];B[kg];W[me];B[nf];W[of];B[ne];W[md];B[ld];W[oe];B[ke];W[lf] ;B[kf];W[od];B[mi];W[mp];B[mo];W[op];B[mq];W[pr];B[oq];W[or];B[nr];W[rs];B[oo];W[ni] ;B[mh];W[nh];B[os];W[sr];B[ok];W[bo];B[bp];W[co];B[qm];W[pn];B[pm];W[rm];B[qk];W[rl] ;B[rk];W[ph];B[qg];W[qh];B[pf];W[ri];B[sh];W[rh];B[sg];W[kc];B[ed];W[gr];B[fr];W[ir] ;B[kr];W[fs];B[es];W[gs];B[er];W[ap];B[aq];W[ao];B[br];W[jc];B[id];W[hf];B[hg];W[gg] ;B[gh];W[fh];B[gp];W[ep];B[fq];W[ho];B[is];W[hr];B[iq];W[hh];B[hi];W[gi];B[ii];W[nb] ;B[ip];W[eo];B[eq];W[fd];B[ha];W[ga];B[ca];W[ia];B[na];W[ma];B[oa];W[mm];B[ml];W[mn] ;B[nk];W[nm];B[om];W[on];B[si];W[no];B[po];W[ql];B[pl];W[rj];B[nn];W[rn];B[sj];W[sl] ;B[sk];W[ee];B[mj];W[gj];B[no];W[sq];B[oc];W[ps];B[ns];W[oj];B[qj];W[df];B[fa];W[ic] ;B[hd];W[gd];B[lo];W[nd];B[lf];W[pi];B[js];W[ha];B[ih];W[gh];B[kd];W[qi];B[hs];W[bg] ;DW[ja:lb][ib][ac:ag][bc][mc][ge][ef:ff][dg][fg][eh][oh:oi][al:cm][sm:sp][cn:dn][rq:rr][qs][ss] TY[la:lb][ma]TZ[la:ma]TX[bp:ds][fp:fr][gp:gq][aq:as][eq:es]TH[bp:ds][fp:fr][gp:gq][aq:as][eq:es] TC[ma]DB[qa:sa][pb][rb:sb][qc:qd][rd:re][qf][pk][mp][bq:dq][lq:ls][nq][ar:as][cr:ds][mr:ms][bs][ks] B[aa]TB[hd][pd][ce][je][ke][ne][qe][re][if][mf][pf][hg][sg][mh][hi][pj][qj][ik] [ec][rk][ll][ml][km][om][qm][hn][nn][io][oo][qo][bp][fp][aa][aq][eq][jr][hs][os] [nk][na][cb][ob][dc][fc][gp]TW[mc][fd][od][ee][he][ie][pe][cf][mg][rg][hh][nh][hj] [ij][nj][kk][jl][kl][ql][im][mm][nm][rm][kn][on][ho][qq][gr][ir][or][fs][ps][ga] [ab][bb][hb][nb][cc][gc]V[-24.1] (;W[og]) (;W[pg];TX[bp:ds][fp:fr][gp:gq][aq:as][eq:es]TH[bp:ds][fp:fr][gp:gq][aq:as][eq:es] DB[qa:sa][pb][rb:sb][qc:qd][rd:re][pk][mp][bq:dq][lq:ls][nq][ar:as][cr:ds][mr:ms][bs][ks] DW[ja:lb][ib][ac:ag][bc][mc][ge][ef:ff][dg][fg][og:oi][eh][al:cm][sm:sp][cn:dn][rq:rr][qs][ss] B[qf]TB[dc][ec][fc][hd][pd][ce][je][ke][ne][qe][re][if][mf][pf][hg][sg][mh][hi] [pj][qj][ik][nk][rk][ll][ml][km][om][qm][hn][nn][io][oo][qo][bp][fp][gp][aq][eq] [jr][hs][os][aa][na][cb][ob]TW[cc][gc][fd][md][ee][he][ie][me][oe][pe][cf][mg][pg] [rg][hh][nh][qh][hj][ij][kk][jl][kl][ql][im][mm][nm][rm][kn][on][ho][qq][gr][ir] [or][fs][ps][ga][ab][bb][hb]V[-28.5]) (;W[ai];B[mb];W[la];B[og];W[pg];B[mc])) (;B[qf]C[Only move. You are in atari.])) (;W[oc];B[pe];W[nb];B[qb];W[oa];B[rb]C[Joseki.])) (;B[fh]LB[fk:a]C[You need to take care of your (a) group.])) (;B[hj])) (;B[fo];W[fn];B[gn]LB[dm:a][iq:b][lp:c]C[Cut off W. W (a) is dying. And (b) and (c) are miai. So some W group will likely die.])) (;B[hp]C[Since W tenuki, you can take this big local shared vital point yourself.])) (;W[hp]TR[gq][jp]SQ[hq][hp]C[Get a feeling -- kind of broken shape for B.])) (;B[el]) (;B[fj]))