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Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:29 am
by quantumf
hailthorn011 wrote:Well, since you input an email address when you sign up, why not implement a method that would ban the email address? Sure there's nothing preventing someone from setting up multiple email addresses to purposely troll, but how many people with the intent to troll would take the time to set up an email address for that sole intent? And this could also work with Guest accounts. Instead of just having someone sign on as a guest, tie the guest account to an email address but if they do not register, then simply have the email eliminated from the list of active emails.
I don't know if this is late or not, but just an idea I thought of.
http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/index.html
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:32 am
by RBerenguel
quantumf wrote:hailthorn011 wrote:Well, since you input an email address when you sign up, why not implement a method that would ban the email address? Sure there's nothing preventing someone from setting up multiple email addresses to purposely troll, but how many people with the intent to troll would take the time to set up an email address for that sole intent? And this could also work with Guest accounts. Instead of just having someone sign on as a guest, tie the guest account to an email address but if they do not register, then simply have the email eliminated from the list of active emails.
I don't know if this is late or not, but just an idea I thought of.
http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/index.html
Was thinking about this, too. In any case, I have around 15 email accounts or aliases (personal, secondary personal, former work, university, my blogs and a bunch from all the work sites). If you have a Google apps domain you can have 50 emails in a moment...
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:30 am
by Kaya.gs
karaklis wrote:Kaya.gs wrote:And finally, i will literally take all ideas into consideration for when i implement my own Admin system
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Maybe it would be of help for the admins if they can see whether a user has received some muzzles to indicate whether he had spammed, used bad language etc.
I would also suggest to bring up this topic in an own thread in the kaya.gs subforum.
I was going to before writing that post, and i will at some point. But this topic is alive, and i'd like to use the momentum.
It would be productive for wms(and to me) to have a clarification of the problems. Any concern is legitimate, and there is always a single best way to deal with them. Very often the decision is "to do nothing" because its not worth the effort, but it is regardless worth considering.
I think xDragon's frustrated post, with the all the talk afterwards, is not about "X" admin, but about the feeling you get after getting banned.
If you do something that you dont consider ban-deserving, and get banned, you are upset. And you want to deal with that feeling somehow. You can internalize it, or you can voice it: but you cant voice it in that place, until the ban is over.
I'd state the problem as:
As a user, i dont know how to deal with the frustration of an unjust ban. (Take note that it doesnt matter if it was just or not. How the user perceives it is the important thing, becasue that is what causes frustration) .
The matter would be more serious if for example, the banned person was a KGS+ subscriber.
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:34 am
by TMark
First, define the "unjust" ban. The original poster seems to believe that all the bans he receives, from a number of forums, are unjust, so much so that he continues to create email addresses to evade and avoid the ban. I am sure that the admins of each forum will point to the continued activity by the banned person in going back to the forum and complaining as evidence that the ban was just. I think, however, that the original poster shot down his own case when he revealed that he had that many email addresses solely for the reason of getting back onto forums where he had been banned. Who is the insane character in that game?
Best wishes.
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:50 am
by Joaz Banbeck
In another thread, Li Kao said it best:
Li Kao wrote:I usually don't read rules. "Contribute and don't be an idiot" is enough as a guideline.
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:42 am
by linuxdaemon
Kaya.gs wrote:And finally, i will literally take all ideas into consideration for when i implement my own Admin system
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I have been kind of half following this thread for a while. I'm not sure if it has been mentioned already, but I think the stack-exchange model works pretty well. You maintain activity, you get points (reputation) for doing specified things. At certain levels you are allowed to do certain things. Maybe one of those things is reporting other users. And at the admin level (which is an earned level in stackexchange, but could be specified), they can then take care of the reported abuses.
Something like this promotes involvement by making you be active and not an idiot until you get enough points. If it is a good balance, then you want to keep earning points and the incentive to spin up crap accounts to be an ass is minimized, escpecially if they are limited to a small set of things until you earn some points. Kaya already has the Karma system, maybe it could be expanded to something like this. Of course this level would take a LOT more effort to implement
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:45 am
by xDragon
TMark wrote:First, define the "unjust" ban. The original poster seems to believe that all the bans he receives, from a number of forums, are unjust, so much so that he continues to create email addresses to evade and avoid the ban. I am sure that the admins of each forum will point to the continued activity by the banned person in going back to the forum and complaining as evidence that the ban was just. I think, however, that the original poster shot down his own case when he revealed that he had that many email addresses solely for the reason of getting back onto forums where he had been banned. Who is the insane character in that game?
Best wishes.
i wasnt even talking about those other forums, im talking solely about KGS.
plus why would something completely unrelated to this case make me lose credibility?
ive seen how doug acts to other users, and how he rarely speaks to me respectfully. he tends to be sarcastic and manipulative as he was ni the original post
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:48 am
by RBerenguel
This is not a trial by jury, and you have brought the testimony by yourself. I have never been banned from any forum, and I bet the great majority of people here, neither. If you are constantly being banned from forums and KGS, maybe it's not (only) KGS' admins faults
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:23 pm
by xDragon
RBerenguel wrote:This is not a trial by jury, and you have brought the testimony by yourself. I have never been banned from any forum, and I bet the great majority of people here, neither. If you are constantly being banned from forums and KGS, maybe it's not (only) KGS' admins faults
or maybe you should get it out of your head that admins are always right.
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:38 pm
by oren
xDragon wrote:or maybe you should get it out of your head that admins are always right.
Just in this specific case they seem to be right.
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:02 pm
by xDragon
oren wrote:xDragon wrote:or maybe you should get it out of your head that admins are always right.
Just in this specific case they seem to be right.
okay, explain HOW they are right in manipulating people so they can create reasons to ban them?
youre already losing your credibility by trying to troll me in the first post however
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:48 pm
by RBerenguel
oren is the one trying to troll?
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:55 pm
by jts
RBerenguel wrote:oren is the one trying to troll?
Go back to the very first page of the thread and you'll see that oren was, at the very least, trying to be cheeky
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:06 pm
by RBerenguel
jts wrote:RBerenguel wrote:oren is the one trying to troll?
Go back to the very first page of the thread and you'll see that oren was, at the very least, trying to be cheeky
Yup, I remember, but oren is more or less like this in a lot of posts, when he is not being informative
I think anyone that commented here to show support (or understanding) for xDragon has at least decided to drop the personal support and just discuss the admin structure....
Re: can we get rid of the insane admins please?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:13 pm
by xDragon
i really couldnt care less if people support me personally, i just want awareness of the issue