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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:38 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm67 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . 1 . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

hane in the head of two stones game won ?

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:50 am
by EdLee
First feeling:
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . B . 1 . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:54 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm68 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Decided :b67: is gote. After :w66: helps the W group, I have more freedom.
For :w62:, I debated about just pulling back with :w1: -- same idea, to get sente for :w68: --
(in fact, this result looks better than in the game, doesn't it? :oops:)
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O 1 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 2 . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |[/go]
The spot :b67: is nice, so of course I wanted to take it myself with :w1: (for :w68:).
But, again, I did not see any severe follow-up to :w1:, so :w1: seemed gote, so I rejected it:
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . 1 . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:34 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm69 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bm69 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X 5 . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . 4 . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . 1 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 3 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:33 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm70 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Give up one ko threat, but it seems sente. Otherwise, if the local situation changes later,
B can simply atari :w54: (more efficient), not having to reduce the libs of the 3 W stones.

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:10 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm71 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X 1 X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

obvious

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:47 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm72 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Still not sure. :-|
Part of the reason for the timing of :w70: atari was to prepare for :w72:.
Is that a shared area of sorts? Maybe something like :b1: (helps the (a) areas for B).
I'm still hoping, with every move, to slowly make the tengen :bc: inefficient/misplaced --
not sure if that's happening, either. :-|
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . a . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . 1 . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . B . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:55 am
by LexC
quite complicated must think a little

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:50 am
by Loons
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[go]$$Wm72 Prisoners:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . |
$$ | . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . B . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , a . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

I thought about it for a little bit, and I really want to play 'a' and try to drag the game to the marked stones. I was initially thinking about 'b', but I don't want to spend a move in black's bottom left while it seems to have options.

Of course, I have lost my last twelve million games straight, so who knows. In other news, I'm not entirely sure why black was thinking about white playing Q2.

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:06 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm31 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . 1 . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]



What I read
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[go]$$Bm31 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . 1 . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O 3 O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . 4 5 . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm31 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . 1 . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O 2 O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:24 am
by EdLee
Interesting. I didn't consider :b73:. Actually I didn't know what B was going to do, so I was curious.
I wonder if :b73: had anything to do with the idea "often, your opponent's move is also your move":
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X
$$ | . O X O . . . X O ,
$$ | . O X O . . . X O .
$$ | . O X O . 1 . . X .
$$ | . . O X X . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

He probably did not want having to reduce W's libs directly...
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X
$$ | . O X O . . . X O ,
$$ | . O X O . . . X O .
$$ | . O X O 1 . . . X .
$$ | . . O X X . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

...nor did he want this result:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X
$$ | . O X O . . . X O ,
$$ | . O X O . . . X O .
$$ | . O X O . . . . X .
$$ | . . O X X 1 2 . . .
$$ | . O . O . O . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:05 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm74 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Not sure if it's the biggest, but it's pretty big.
Maybe the :wc:- :bc: exchange was lucky, as I wasn't sure if :wc: was sente.
One idea was even though :wc: is far away, maybe it has some bearing with this :bt: group?
Another idea was :ws: and :wt: -- big yose-ish moves by themselves -- were also preparing for :w74::
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[go]$$Wm74
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . B . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . W . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . @ . Y . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 Y . . Y . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:46 am
by LexC
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[go]$$Bm75 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Not clear but I has to play

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:10 am
by EdLee
Hmm... not what I was expecting; have to study.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . .
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . .
$$ | . O X . . X . 1 . O . . O .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------------[/go]
If tenuki from :bc: ( :w1: or otherwise) -- after :b2:, (a) fails, and (b)...?
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 2 b . . . . . . . . O . .
$$ | . O a X . . . . . , . . . .
$$ | . O X . . X . 1 . O . . O .
$$ | . B . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------------[/go]
Variation (a):
W dies:
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[go]$$W :w9: fills :bt:
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 2 4 . . . . . . . . O . .
$$ | 6 O 3 X . . . . . , . . . .
$$ | 8 O Y 7 0 X . 1 . O . . O .
$$ | . X 5 . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------------[/go]
Variation (b):
After :b4:, then :w5: at (c) fails because :b5: at (d) kills W...
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 4 c . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 2 3 . . . . . . . . O . .
$$ | . O d X . . . . . , . . . .
$$ | . O X . . X . 1 . O . . O .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------------[/go]
...so :w5: at (d) is forced. After :b6:, we have :w7: at (e) or (f) --
and :w7: at (e) fails again (similar to how :w3: at :w5: fails), so :w7: at (f) is forced...
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 4 6 e . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 2 3 f . . . . . . . O . .
$$ | . O 5 X . . . . . , . . . .
$$ | . O X . . X . 1 . O . . O .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------------[/go]
... not sure about this result; have to study:
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 4 6 8 . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 2 3 7 9 . . . . . . O . .
$$ | . O 5 X . . . . . , . . . .
$$ | . O X . . X . 1 . O . . O .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------------[/go]
The clamp :w3: doesn't seem good; B can easily live, with nice follow-ups starting with the throw-in at (g):
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | 5 2 4 . . . . . . . . O . .
$$ | g O . X . . . . . , . . . .
$$ | . O X . . X . 1 . O . . O .
$$ | 6 X . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------------[/go]
Probably overthinking and missed the simple :b2: : :)
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[go]$$W
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . O . .
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . .
$$ | . O X . . X . 1 . O . . O .
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------------[/go]

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:47 pm
by EdLee
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[go]$$Wm76 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O 1 X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Was over-thinking, probably. :-|