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Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:36 am
by Magicwand
E16 atari

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:38 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X . X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O X . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Another comparitive loss. I'm dreading the count already :P

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X . X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . a X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O X . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I hope I get "a" in sente now, but I may have to accept a monkey jump into the lower right, which isn't giving me happy smiley thoughts.

I hope the battle has been somewhat entertaining to the watchers at least, sorry about the frenetic pace ;)

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:10 am
by Magicwand
S8

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:13 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X . X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O O O O X . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


How badly am I losing I wonder ..

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:18 am
by Magicwand
C6

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:21 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . 8 O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X . X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O O O O X . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:47 am
by Magicwand
L10

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:50 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . 0 X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . 8 O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X 9 X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O O O O X . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Really had to think about this one. I think it's sente enough because of the one point jump into his territory, and I wanted to protect the cut left at M12. If it is sente, I'm deciding between the following:

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . d X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . 0 X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . e X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . 8 O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X 9 X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . X . . . . . . . X . . . a . |
$$ | . 5 . . . X O . . c . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O O O O X . X . X X b . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


"d" is probably just about winning right now, but my goodness is it hard to evaluate these.

Either way, I'm pleased to note that from my count this game is still really pretty close. Wouldn't it be nice to actually finish a game against magicwand ;)

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:43 am
by Magicwand
P3

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:57 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Will respond later ..

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:02 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:13 am
by jts
Doesn't this lead to this?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O 3 5 6 . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X 4 1 O 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . 9 2 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:49 am
by Magicwand
O3
not what i expected

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:50 am
by topazg
Further thoughts:

Hmmm, maybe that was too clever by half.

I was trying to avoid this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . 4 . . O . 5 |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O . 2 . 6 . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X 3 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


as it just felt so passive, but it looks like the best I can get now might be:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . 8 . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . 7 O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O . 3 6 . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X 5 1 O 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Which is unpleasant :(

Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:50 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O 4 , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X 3 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmmm, maybe a reprieve here ..