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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:45 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #87 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . W . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:00 pm
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #88 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . B . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i cant see any other thinkable move. i have counted score, will post it with the next move

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:19 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #89 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . W O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:43 pm
by Laman
this may take me some time...
ok, i wont wait with the score analysis... (i dont count very precisely, so the scores may not be 100% accurate)
white: top right 10 points, lower right 15 points, lower left maybe another 15 points, center and top still open, that makes 40
black: left and left top maybe 45, other areas no more than 10, together about 55
that means that white have to make only 15 points more than me in the center and considering that only around J9 and my two almost captured stones it is around 15 points, the game is almost lost for me.
however, i am still going to continue, first because the center is not settled and my estimations might prove wrong and second because i hate resigning before 100th move (i feel like i wasnt an even oponent if i couldnt survive at least 100 moves :))

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:18 pm
by Harleqin
One of the most important things to have for a game of Go is stamina. I mention this because there seem to be some people here who consider resigning as soon as the game is even.

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:44 pm
by unkx80
Harleqin wrote:
Zwergesel wrote:
Harleqin wrote:I have no idea why Black did not hane here; it separates White:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 1 . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would expect the following continuation:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . 5 9 . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 3 4 . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X 8 . B 1 2 . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 7 O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This doesn't look good for black!
If :b6: at :w9: then white can capture the :bc: stone! I'm not sure if that is any better for black!


My idea was rather to force a connection like this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . C O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . b . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . 9 0 . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 4 7 8 . a . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . B 1 5 6 O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 O X X X O . C . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 3 O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to admit, though, that the separation on the left side is only of temporary nature then.

I just thought that there has to be a better way than to run into White's central stones. I am not sure whether this is realistic, or even whether it is better than the game.


I agree with Harleqin. Thumbs down for not making the hane.

Some players are afraid of getting their stones cut. But in the process of merely running and connecting, the opponent marches in as one strong connected group. I see this feature in some of Kirby's games as well.

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:53 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #90 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

reducing white's center, possibly expanding my own territory, possibly (but not very likely) threatening to connect with my stones below

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:49 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #91 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:37 pm
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #92 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:50 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #92 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O W . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:04 pm
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #94 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X B O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:10 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #94 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X W . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he is keep forceing me to back off.
i will give him everything he want and take something bigger.
if i fight to keep 2 stones then that is all i will get..but if i let it go...i will get much more rewards.

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:31 pm
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #96 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O O B . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i dont understand to purpose of the white's last move, i am going to break through and later i will try something from the right side, if it looks still playable
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 5 . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O 4 . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O O 1 . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 2 X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:38 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #96 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:40 pm
by Laman
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oh, so he lets me connect. will i lose anyway? probably. still i want to see