Life In 19x19

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:31 am**

Magicwand wrote:H12

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . W . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:09 am**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 3 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:08 am**

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:41 pm**

Magicwand wrote:F16

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . 4 . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 3 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:41 pm**

@Joaz:

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:49 am**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . 4 5 . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . 3 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Tenuki with 55 may also be possible, but answering looks OK. If MW continues in this area:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O 1 a . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X 3 5 X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

2 feels like the best move locally. 3 may be slack, but up to 5 I link up and become thick. a is a big follow up move for either player, but MW needs to take care of his centre group first.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc possible further continuation $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X 9 . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X 1 X . . 8 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . 2 . 4 . 6 . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . . . 3 . 5 . 7 . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In some variations, like the one above,I get to play at a from fhte first diagram.

Neither B nor W has much secure territory here, but B has more potential so seems ahead.

W can try more aggresive lines in the centre e.g.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Fight! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X 1 X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . , 0 . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . 9 2 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . 7 6 8 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X 3 4 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 More Fight! $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . 7 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X 5 O 2 3 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O 6 1 O 4 . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . . X O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . X O O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X X O . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The fighty line looks good for me. MW may do better in this variation if he starts the attack immediately and doesn't play the moves at the top. the move at the top has cost him a liberty. However, I can still handle the fight.

MW has a range of replies I've not shown. It's complex!

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:05 pm**

I will think about my next move for a while

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:43 pm**

J9
edit

Posted: **Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:24 pm**

Magicwand wrote:J9...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . W . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

( I'm posting diagrams while MW recovers from surgery )

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:11 am**

Joaz Banbeck wrote:I'm posting diagrams while MW recovers from surgery

No need to explain anything. We all know you'd need to suffer some sort of a punishment for losing the game against him. ;-)

Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:02 pm**

Magicwand wrote:I will think about my next move for a while

Time =8.05.

Magicwand wrote:J9

time = 9.43, so 1 hour 40 = "a while" in a Malkovich game! :bow:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

W56 moves into the centre, but in a fairly slow way. It sets up a ko, but I don't need to worry about it much - the ko damages MW if he loses.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . 9 . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 5 7 . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 4 . 6 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . 8 . 0 . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Something along these line is likely. B has quite good potential everywhere, so this feels playable for black. As long as the W group is unsettled, it's difficult for W to play at a. The ko is very dangerous for W - I capture with an atari,so W loses a reasonable amount if he loses the ko.

W could consider this alternative:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O 5 3 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . 4 . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 . 6 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The aji at a completely vanishes here, since I can cut W in the centre. So this seems better for B than the previous diagram.

Posted: **Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:43 am**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:43 am**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 4 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As planned. If MW pushes again, I've rethought my previous plan and I'll solidly extend:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 5 7 9 . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 4 6 . 8 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . 0 . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O a O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The key difference is the point at a, which was nearly sente in for W in other version I showed earlier.

Posted: **Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:39 pm**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 4 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:07 am**

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