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57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

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Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:16 pm
by fwiffo
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . X X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O O O . X 4 . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . . O X X . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O O X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O O X X . . O X X X X O |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . . X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm the one that needs to be taking risks here. I haven't read this, but I never should have played my last move if I didn't intend to follow it up.

Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:22 pm
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . X X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O O O . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . . O X X . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O O X . O . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . X O O X X . . O X X X X O |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . . X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My, this game has become violently entertaining. I think I'm good here, but I'm not sure if white is in the top left. Time will tell, though. Obviously, if only one player loses a huge group, it's the game.

Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:27 pm
by daniel_the_smith
White looks totally dead. Black I give 50% chance of dying. Groups seem to be about the same size, maybe black's is slightly larger.

Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:28 pm
by fwiffo
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . X X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O O O . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . . O X X . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O O X . O . . . X 6 |
$$ | . . . O . . X O O X X . . O X X X X O |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . . X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move is forced. I have no idea of the outcome. But catching the one stone is only one eye, and anyway he'll live in gote and I think I can save the left. I had to try something.

Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:45 pm
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . X X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O O O . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . . O X X . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X O 7 O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O O X . O . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . X O O X X . . O X X X X O |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . . X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The Plan:
I think I can do this. As DTS said, I belive white is dead up top left. So I just need to lose less and I'll be okay. I'm looking at a sequence like in the diagrams below, where if I have to I can sacrifice a few stones to ensure life. There's a lot of complexity, so my opponent will look for monkey wrenches. However, these diagrams are what I read that I would play as white, so I'm feeling optimistic.
Diagrams:
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[go]$$Bcm101 It starts
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . X X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O O O . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . . O X X . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X O 7 O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O O X . O . . . X 6 |
$$ | . . . O . . X O O X X . . O X X X X O |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . . X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm110 I think 10 and 11 may be miai?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . X X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O O O . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . . O X X . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 2 X 3 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X C X O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O O X . O . . 4 X O |
$$ | . . . O . . X O O X X . . O X X X X O |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . . X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm110 I don't think MHO can play for a ko
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . X X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X O . X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O O O . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . . O X X . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . O , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . O . . O . . X . 4 |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 1 X . 2 3 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O O X . O . . . X O |
$$ | . . . O . . X O O X X . . O X X X X O |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . . X . O O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:51 pm
by fwiffo
I resign. You're alive easily by my reading, at least three or four eyes. :roll: I might live on the left with half my group with something like C14, but it's not enough. Sorry I barely made it 100 moves! I should have read this out before playing a game of chicken. Getting some points in the middle made it close enough to go into endgame at least.

Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:05 pm
by Chew Terr
Thank you very much for the game. It was challenging and exciting. I was afraid of your reading, so I was doing my best to keep the game in larger, direction-of-play strategic areas as long as I could. I think I'm going to try to get it compiled into a sgf with our comments. Once it's there, I'll post it either for review here, or try to swindle somebody into doing a video review. I would love to play you again sometime, if you would be up for it. Thanks again, and thanks to the observers who commented.

Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:29 pm
by Chew Terr
SGF time!



If anyone wants me to remove their comments from the sgf, let me know!

Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:32 am
by fwiffo
Wow, that must have been a lot of work!

Re: 57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:11 am
by Chew Terr
It was really frustrating when I lost my progress halfway through... Took a few hours but it'd definitely be faster next time. I figured out how to do a lot of things like deleting and moving nodes, which helped.
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